The Hungarian political police chiefs and their underlings, 1957-1990
I assume that Ricsi thinks that while the victims of the Hungarian political police were all Christians, the beneficiaries of the system were the Jews. I hate to disappoint him. Although Gábor Tabajdi and Krisztián Ungváry don't mention the leaders' religious affiliation or ethnic origin, the two historians managed to compile fairly detailed biographical notes on all the sixty-odd people who played important roles within the organization between 1957 and 1990. On the basis of these biographical notes I can safely state that the number of people with Jewish backgrounds was small.
For instance, the authors identified eighteen people in leading positions between 1957 and 1962. Out of these eighteen only three, perhaps four, have a Jewish background: Jenő Hazafi, Ervin Hollós, László Kunos, and possibly Károly Hidegkúti. All others were non-Jews. The social and educational backgrounds of three of the four in no way differed from the other fourteen. Hazafi had a sixth-grade education after which he learned a trade: engine fitting. Hollós worked for a furrier, again with very little formal education. Károly Hidegkúti finished only eight grades and worked in a textile factory. The only exception was László Kunos who finished high school in 1940. Because he lost his parents and his brother in the Holocaust it is not surprising that he became a devotee of the new regime. However, in 1962, most likely because his rigid adherence to the old style dictatorship was no longer acceptable, he was dropped and ended his career as an accountant in a smallish state enterprise.
Moving along, let's take a look at the chiefs of the National Security Division (Állambiztonsági Főcsoportfőnökség) designated by the Roman numeral III. There were seven of them over the years. Out of these seven six were definitely not Jewish and because the last chief was born in 1936 and the only thing the authors know about his early life is that his father was a printer working in the Ministry of Interior, we cannot be sure. In addition the authors list thirty people who served in different important capacities under these chiefs. Out of these thirty I could identify only one as Jewish.There are about five or six section chiefs whose biographies don't give any clues one way or the other.
So any generalization about a Jewish preponderance in running the Hungarian secret service is based on prejudice rather than on facts. The Kádár regime was careful to avoid an overrepresentation of Jews in the top echelon of the party organization (in contrast to Mátyás Rákosi's government). As far as the secret service was concerned, the main criterion seemed to be a working class or peasant origin. The regime trusted people whose upward mobility was due entirely to the communist party and whose early life was marked by poverty. To these people the new regime brought incredible rewards and they could only be grateful. The stark contrast between their earlier lives and their adulthood in leading positions in government service must have been a constant reminder of their good fortunes.
Wishing everybody a Happy New Year! Being an optimistic sort, I think that Hungary's economic woes will be less severe than most people predict.
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I am honoured,a reply in writing !
As for Hungary’s woe’s –things are going to get a lot worse in 2009,not just here,but everywhere and your beloved Gyurcsány will not be able to do anything about the coming crisis,except lie and spin as usual.
Happy new year
Shalom Éva
Is not Krisztian Ungváry jewish ??
Interesting that you do not reply directly to me,but through your forum. Still I wish YOU personally an happy new year,even though you can not find the strength to reciprocate.Not a problem for it shows yet again who is the stronger !! (you still do not remember me do you ?)
Ps I am not an optimist but a realist,Hungary is in big trouble and it will get far worse next year. SZEBB JÖVŐT ÉVA
Don’t be an idiot Ricsi!
What does it matter if Ungvary is, or isn’t Jewish?
As it happens he is not. He is, despite his relatively young age, one of Hungary’s best historians ever.
But for real interesting tidbit let me mention that while the Jews were indeed overrepresented in the Rakosi era government, they were even more overrepresented amongst the victims of political repression. As a mattar of fact, on the list of those deceased in the Vac political prison the Jewish names are around 30%.
BTW, I don’t think you are that strong, in fact your brain is quite weak.
The one thing Ricsi is likely to be correct about is the state ofthe Hungarian and world economy in 2009. It is likely to be worse than last year and 07, both of which, in the case of Hungary, were fairly miserable. I also agree that this Government has very few levers available to change the course of the economy, and it is true that is due in large part to the errors of the prior Governments (which were mainly MSZP led). Of course, the the fact that the main opposition lacks any credibile, coherent plan for the economy and is so myopic and selfish to refuse to even engage in a serious discussion on the issue, only makes matters worse. Gyurcsany has shown himself to be (at the same time) too prone to hubris (so as to offend a significant proportion of the population) and also a prisinor of the internal politics of the MSZP. But at least, he seems to understand the larger issues surrounding Hungary. Orban is instead a prisinor to his own delusions of grandeur and of his horribly misguided belief that all politics is zero-sum, and that it is better to let the Country crash and burn that be responsible in opposition. Sadly, these errors and flaws are compounded by a shockingly retro and unsophisticated understanding of economics and Hungary’s position in the world.
It all adds up for a grim year domestically. At least we can hope our more capable neighbours in the Cz Republic succeed in their role as EU President and Slovakia takes advantage of Euro adoption. Only, I fear, a real sense of shame and jealousy can push Hungary slightly in the right direction.
NWO: “Gyurcsany has shown himself to be (at the same time) too prone to hubris (so as to offend a significant proportion of the population)”
I more or less agree with the rest of your remarks and therefore there is no need to comment on them in detail. As far as Gurcsány’s popularity is concerned it depends on ideological commitment and it has very little to do with his personal traits. He is very popular among the MSZP voters and terribly unpopular on the other side. And vica versa. Orbán is hated on the left and adored in Fidesz circles. Those who espouse far-right ideas hate both.
Orban-haters rarely pay attention to what he says. They read the oddly-named Nepszava and Nepszabadsag or worse, hardly the best source for unbiased reporting. Orban makes sense (not an easy sell in this dumbed down world), and neither the liberal left nor the religious right want any part of that.
Orban says that Gyurcsany and his goons are only interested in hanging onto power at any cost. Now let’s see if he’s right, read the last entry of 2008 in Gyurcsany’s own blog. After a trying year he still finds reason for celebration, his biggest success is that the left is still in power. That’s it. The ship is sinking, we’re heading in the wrong direction and a storm is coming, but I’m still the captain, so I’m happy.
We need a leader who doesn’t despise Hungarians, willing to patch up the ship and change direction before it’s too late. We are running out of time.
NWO: Likewise I don’t feel the charge of hubris is justified. There is every evidence that Gyurcsány has and continues to try to communicate his beliefs and thoughts as clearly as possibly with his party and to people in general. If you understand Hungarian you should take a look at the detailed linguistic analysis of his blog over the last few years: http://tinyurl.com/5xmr9p
In brief this shows that he has greatly simplified his language, made his sentences shorter, his posts pithier etc…
What he has never strayed into is populist territory, so he doesn’t go for the showy, but economically meaningless things that Hungarians tend to love.
Lets also remember that he spoke for over 7 hours in parliament this year. Orbán managed a mere 5 minutes in one sitting after the referendum and nothing since. His economic minister has also only spoken for a collective total of 5 minutes. This is in the year of an international economic crisis.
More should have been done, we all agree, but I largely think that under the circumstances the PM has performed reasonably.
I would like to wish everyone a happy and prosperous new year.
It always amuses me to see how the pieces entitled “The Hungarian political police chiefs and their underlings, 1957-1990” develops into a brawl between the supporters of MZSP and FIDESZ.
I would like to address my first remark to Mr. Ricsi. I’m always perplexed as to why people confuse a religion with a race of people. Judaism is a religion, it is most definitely not racial grouping. Most of the original Hebrew people were of the Semitic race (some were Greeks – a Caucasian people) and a modern day followers of the religion called Judaism belong mainly the Caucasian racial grouping (Nordic, Mediterranean and Aryan).. I rather fear that Mr. Ricsi’s problem with them stems from a book called the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ (it is also known as the protocols of the Wise Men of Zion). This book is based on a satirical comment on the actions of Napoleon III which was written by a by French satirist called Maurice Joly. Joly himself, it was later found, had plagiarised an earlier work of one Eugene Sue. I will confess I have never read either of these books, but I understand that neither of these books mentions Judaism at all. Maurice Joly was arrested by Napoleon III’s secrete police and most of the copies of his book were suppressed. A few copies seem to have been acquired in Switzerland by the Czar’s spys (the Okhrana) and we used by that organization to produce the infamous forgery called ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’. It seems that this book is trotted out time and time again as being ‘a true revelation’ which it is not. As my cockney friends would say ‘It Sexton’ (Sexton Blake – fake).
The problem of the persecutions of the peoples of Hungary which may not be well understood in Hungary was that during the late 1940s when the communist party was making a takeover bid for power there were two main factions within the communist party. The first faction, which was the largest faction, was the local indigenous Hungarian communist party. This faction contained men like Rajk and Kadar and I think Kovacs. The second faction I will call the Moscow party. This contained Rakosi, Gero and Nagy. (Rakosi had escaped the fate of Kun and other early Bolsheviks by being held under arrest in Hungary. Joseph Stalin did not want any other competitors from the ‘old brigade’ about). Of course, the Moscow faction had to be the ruling faction. We all know what happened to Rajk, Kovacs, Kadar etc. These were some of the earliest victims of the political police. It is interesting to suppose that the reason why Imre Nagy had to go was that he was part of the Moscow faction. Khrushchev he had he wished to save Nagy could have quite easily done so as Nagy was a Russian citizen, but that is another story.
Once the Szálasi hoods who were recruited in the early days had served their time and retired, the old communist idea of ‘it is better to have a good communist in charge than someone who can actually do the job’ came into force. This is why recruitment into the service was based upon those who owed everything to the communist party as this insured to their loyalty. These people would have been agnostics. Religeon of any kind had no place in the comunist world!
I neither confuse religion with race any more than I confuse the REAL evil,zionists,with the ordinary Jew.If my rants are taken as an attack against ALL Jews,then I hereby apologise and make it clear that the zionist extremists (like all extremists) are the root cause of most problems in our world today.
You quote the “protocols” etc..and then say you have never read them ! Why quote them ?
I Sir,have read them and checked the alleged “fabrication” of the Protocols.
Religion had no place in the communist world,nor with Hitler,but both regimes realised it could be used as a tool to convince the masses to follow the regime,hence the catholic sell outs to both regimes..
Ricsi: “I neither confuse religion with race any more than I confuse the REAL evil,zionists,with the ordinary Jew.”
Would you tell us what you know about Zionism? Do you know what it means?
Éva,do YOU really want ME to give you an history lesson on Zionism and its implications ??
Of course I know,for why else would I bother to make a comment on your esteemed blog !
Let us not play silly question and answer games to detract from the main subject at hand.
Ricsi: “Éva,do YOU really want ME to give you an history lesson on Zionism and its implications ??” You can leave out the implications. I just want a simple definition so I would know whether we are talking about the same thing.
No we are not talking about the same thing,for I see the evil in their ways,whilst you I fear,through the act of asking such a question,actually support/believe in the zionist philosophy.
Ricsi: You obviously haven’t got a clue what you are talking about and are scared of showing your ignorance even more clearly than you have already done.
You have been asked a simple question and you choose not to answer simply on the basis that this will force you into a factual discussion rather than one based simply on prejudice and personal beliefs – which is the only form of discussion of which you are capable.
Ms. Balogh
I stumbled across your Blog about six weeks ago. I am a strong believer in the value of comparative study. It is an important tool in trying to establish a context and perspective when examining any matter.In this instance a study of the Hungarian experience during the Communist regime and of the subsequent ongoing period of transition. You have characterized Kadar’s Hungary as the “least awfull” of the Warsaw Pact communist regimes . I would concurr with that evaluation. I would add to it the proposition that Ceausescu’s Romania was the most awfull of the communist regimes in the Warsaw Pact, certainly during the 1980′s(due to the peculiarities of the GDR, it is a case unto itself, notwithstanding the many similarities which it had with what was the Soviet Bloc).That is why these two countries, current and past, are the primary focus of comparison for me.
That is not in any way to diminish the overall issue of the great divide which was Europe between 1945 and 1989.Besides Hungary is a fascinating European phenomenon right from the time of the arrival of Arpad, unique really.
Since I cannot speak or read Hungarian, I only know English, Romanian and German, this is where your Blog comes in. It strikes me as being both well researched and topical. The only other English language source which I have been able to come across which appears regularly of similar quality is the website of the Hungarian Quarterly.
It seems to me that you make a concerted effort to be both balanced and fair, bearing in mind that I agree with A. Schopenhauer when he says that there is no
object without a subject. By way of example I would cite your article, “Rememberances: 1956″ posted on July 5, 2007. (Time permitting I have been so favourably impressed by your Blog that I am systematically reading back to its beginning in what I believe was June of 2007).Maybe some of your Hungarian speaking readers might consider my comments reflective of a naive outsider, they certainly are entitled to any snide thoughts that they might harbour.
I seem to sense a whiff of a “sociological methodology ” in the way your approach your sources. I particulary appreciate the references to reviews of shows on Hungarian TV dealing with poltical, ecomonic and broader social issues. It gives one a flavour of Hungarian society, viewing audience and all. I do watch snippets from some of the video material noted, and occasionally longer sequences as well. As trite as it may sound and not to minimize the importance of the spoken word, I think there is real merit in the common expression, “a picture is worth a thousand words”. Like your reader ( I believe it was Odin’s Eye) I too am a keen observer of body language. It is definitely not to be overlooked.
In terms of the offerings from 77filmajandek.nava.hu the black and white newsreels from the 1930′s were fascinating. Even more remarkable was the availability of SZINDBAD(1971). I first saw a subtitled video version of this extraordinary film in 1994.
I saw a full screen 35mm subtitled version of it in Decmber 1998 at a Hungarian Film festival here in Toronto, where I reside.
Mesmerizing even in the small box computer screen internet version, a real privilege to see it again after ten years, thank you.
Concerning the 1988 report on shopping and the availablity of goods in Budapest, your comments were valid, but I can assure you
the last two years of the communist regime in Hungary looked like a consumer’s paradise compared to Ceausescu’s Romania.
Concerning the reburial of Imre Nagy and his codefendants in June of 1989. I was totally intrigued by that event when I read about it in Roger Gough’s biography , Janos Kadar, A Good Comrade (2006). I was most anxious amongst other things to see the funeral staging designed by Laszlo Rajk, juniour. How ironic that his father,
convinced stalinist right to the end, was a
victim of the very Stalinist regime which he played such an important role in implementing.Then as another level of irony he attended as a yong boy the ceremonial reburial of his own father. The Nagy funeral lasts about eight hours on the website noted, but
if you use the mouse arrow you can basically go where you wish in that time period. Thus you can see and hear the speeches which you wanted to. I wanted to see the young Viktor Orban (there is an abbreviated version on Youtube), since you do paint a rather negative picture of this man’s evolution I wanted to see the body language for myself. Go to about 03:56 (about three hours and fifty-six minutes, the speeches run mostly one after the other, V. Orban is not the first) that is where you shall see and hear Orban. I know the gist of the
speech from Gough and others.From a visual perspective it strikes me that Orban spoke with real conviction, force and courage too, also he was the only speaker to raise spontaneous applause from the audience. There seems to be a slight tinge of the “nervousness of youth” in the timbre of the voice which only makes it sound all the more convincing. Notwithstanding your accumulated comments about the present Orban all the commentators I have read say it was an historic discourse.
Interestingly and curiously enough while I was poking around with the mouse arrow in
a scanning manner timewise I spotted Gyorgy Faludy. You can see him starting at around 01:45 (one hour and forty-five minutes). I first heard about this man who spent a lifetme shocking people, amongst other things, in a picture obituary in The Economist in September 2006 and in the Toronto Globe and Mail (Canada’s leading and most prestigious anglophone newspaper[no great shakes really overall but it is the best that is up here outside of Quebec]. Since he lived here in Toronto for about twenty years until 1989, the spotting at the Nagy funeral had some real human interest.
Concerning the OV TV “mini-documentaries” on
Viktor Orban which you pointed to I took your advice and glanced at some of them. I thik that the most
interesting, from what I peeked at, was the Oktober 7, 2007, which is basically a day in the life of Viktor Orban. He starts out arranging his necktie, pecking his wife Aniko Levai goodbye and taking two of his daughters to school and so one, until he returms home at nightime. He may very well deserve the oppribrium which is heaped upon him but in this video( which in places has some interesting camera shots) Orban comes across as a concerned father, puffy partyhack, but certainly natural and human, if rather run of the mill.It is rather hard for me to conceive how this man could possibly convince anyone that he may possess “messianic qualities”.
Concerning the other main protagonist of your Blog, your comments do reflect well thought out opinion. You depict Ferenc Gyurcsany as a modern Western European Style social-democrat and from what I have been able to ascertain many others agree with you. At my own superficial level of knowledge I do tend to concurr. Visually, video clips show an
individual with a much better camera presence than his prinicipal political rival. There seems to be a touch of subtle urbane ease about Gyurcsany, which does exude a certain likeability.
Of course there remains the problem of the infamous May 26, 2006 internal speech (monologue to the Hungarian Socialist Party). I have seen the CNN video interview on the subject and read an interview on it in Spiegel, and feel that Gyurcsany has clarified the matter, but just barely. Certainly one cannot be surprised that many
people who live in Hungary on a daily basis
continue to feel very uneasy about the May 26, Speech. Likewise most politicians in opposition, and certainly not a seasoned one who was a former PM such as V. Orban
could possibly forego the temptation of exploiting the scandal to the hilt. Month after month, year after year, if my reading of the situation is correct, Orban drills the matter into the minds of the
future electorate systematically, using every populist trick, cheap or otherwise.
Is it really true that FIDESZ/Orban leave the debating chamber in Parliament every time Gyurscany speaks? Do they really hold a separate commerative event on October 23, every year (I believe that is when the
1956 Revolution is celebrated yearly as a
Hungarian national day)? This strikes me as
pushing political partisanship to an outlandish level, bordering on demagogurey,
disgusing the whole package by extolling it
as promoting the Hungarian national interest.I first learned about the growing
political polarity in Hungary from your Blog, it does seem that you are right when
you cite such behaviour as exacerbating it all.
You and your readers might excuse me for making a rather human digression here, but afterall we are still dealing with very human political actors. There are some significant similarities, at least from my
appraisal of the material, between Orban and Gyurcsany. There is of course the similar ages,and
neither seems to have come from a particularly privileged background within the context of Kadar’s Hungary. If I am right Gyrucsany was something of a reformer within the context of the former
Hungarian Communist Party (sic), although like so many within the Soviet Bloc, he could not help succumbing to some measure of opportunism, by rising through the ranks to a leading position in the Hungarian Communist youth movement.
Orban in the late 1980′s showed considerably more inner strength and was not only a reformer but a dissident who participated in the opposition after it was allowed to formally exist starting with 1985. It was Orban and not Gyurscany, who made an historical speech at the Nagy furneral and if I am not mistaken, it was Orban and not Gyurscany who participated in the roundtable negotiations which lead to the final dissolution of the Kadar era.
After that the convergency starts again. Both men, showed accumen in dealing in the
murky business world of the early transition years. This was a pan former Soviet Bloc phenomenon, probably sadly inevitable. What seems noteworthy is that both men succumbed to temptation this time,
not surprisingly. The difference is that Gyurcsany was even more financially successful than Orban.
Then we have the issue of family life. Both men married attractive women, both apparently with a touch of class and intelligent gazes. Both men have fathered large families, four children (Gyurcsany) and five children (Orban). Within the context of European and North American society over the past thirty-five years, I view that as evidence of a generous life affirming attitude, on the part of both the
Gyurcsanys and Orbans. I really don’t think that a quip like “well they can afford to”, is particularly meaningful.
Both men have risen to head their respective political parties and both men have served as Prime Minsiters. But then the divergencies commence again in ever accelerating fashion.
Now to return to the merits of your Blog for me. I find your “bookreviews”, outstandingly informative both in terms of content and the choice of books themselves.
Many of the themes covered are not unique to Hungary, although the details may be. So many of these issues are very much topical in neighbouring countries and throughout what was the Soviet Bloc.I do hope that you will continue with the “bookreviews” in the New Year which has just arrived and in which I wish you and all of your readers a very healthy and
fruitfully eventfull one.
OP-
You say Orban haters rarely pay attention to what he is saying. Tell me what Orban has said or even espouses in terms of “real” policy, and how such policies advance the long term interest of Hungary? The bizarre thing about FIDESZ is its intellectual corruption. It is in name right wing but in main supports left wing policies. It claims to be anti-socialist and communist, but is actively neo-socialst in its economic policies. It is meant to be “conservative”, but in the end is purely populist. FIDESZ has become no more than a reflexive anti-MSZP party. The problem is that at times the MSZP has been willing to adopt painful but necessary policies, that need cross party support. FIDESZ (Orban) given its has only one coherent strategy-to oppose whatever MSZP supports-would rather sink the country than change its political calculus. And this is to the detriment of the Country, and helps to explain why reform is so impossible in this place.
NWO: This year and since the crisis in general Orbán has merely proposed internal spending as a solution. Really, that has all he has said, Hungary should spend its way out of the crisis. This alongside stopping all the major/minor construction projects to ‘save’ money. He proposes no meaningful cuts in the size of local/national government and administration overheads, no restrictions on unions or pensions (quite the opposite).
Meanwhile Gyurcsány has outlined his policies in quite a lot of detail, to the point where the complexity of some of his language has increased as he has tried to explain complex issue to an electorate that doesn’t really want to hear.
As you have said elsewhere and here before the left is not left, nor is the right right in Hungary. Economically, at least, it is the socialists with the only signs of understanding and responding to open market economics.
The would be coalition partners has not helped either through a mixture of incompetence, power hunger and unrealistic demands – these demands including more radical economic changes than the Hungarian people have shown a stomach for, particularly under the threat of further referenda.
I’ve just come across some more detailed figures on who spoke, how many times, for how long http://gondola.hu/cikkek/62849 You don’t really need Hungarian to understand, this the tables are pretty clear. Just for the number crunchers amongst you.
Who cares how many times somebody spoke ? Stop confusing yourselves over such petty trivia,We are run by a self confessed liar and corrupt gang,with a pathetic opposition that plays the same games. Gyurcsány or Órbán,Brown or Campbell,McCain or Obama–NO CHANGE ,for REAL change is not on these guys agenda.
I choose to ignore the pathetic ,childish questions about my knowledge zionism,for it is merely a distraction from the real issue,silly games,rather than talk about the reality,so stop ducking and diving Éva/sic.
2009 will be VERY bad for Hungary especially,and many other “states” in the EU block-period.
SZEBB JÖVŐT !
Ricsi: But your lot don’t even have a meaningful economic agenda, do they? The Bethlen Gábor program (Ricsi is the forum administrator on the Jobbik website) talks of nothing aside from some meaningless references to ‘ethics’. Or else, what is the social/economic agenda to which you are referring?
Dear Necunoscut, thank you so much for your encouraging, intelligent and kind remarks. You’ve made some very interesting points and if you give me a little time I would like to respond later more fully.
Here I want to thank you for calling my attention to the young Orbán’s speech at the funeral in 1989. I know that it was considered to be a brave speech, but I didn’t like his references to the suffering of his own generation. His parents’ generation or my parents’ generation suffered a great deal more.
By the way, among the readers of this blog there are people originally from Romania and I hope that one day they will also contribute.
Sic: “The Bethlen Gábor program (Ricsi is the forum administrator on the Jobbik website)”
Well, well, what a surprise! May I ask Ricsi to dispense with “Szebb jovot!” This arrow cross greeting is most inappropriate.
Jewish Éva, do not play stupid games,for you and “sic” are one and the same !
SZEBB JÖVŐT, SZEBB JÖVŐT
The new right is here,and it is here to stay . YOU STILL DO NOT REMEMBER ME ???
Think carefully dear lady ……
I am here to haunt you and your kind,traitors to Hungary,living in New York and yet idolising commie bastards like Gyurcsány,whose days are numbered.
Grow up Éva néni,your days are soon to be over …….
SZEBB JÖVŐT
(and this was never an arrow cross greeting ! though “kitortás” was and still is !)
REMEMBER ME ????????
Ricsi: ‘for you and “sic” are one and the same !’
We are not. Which clearly means that you do not remember me.
Ricsi: “I am here to haunt you and your kind,traitors to Hungary,living in New York and yet idolising commie bastards like Gyurcsány,”
If this doesn’t stop you will not be able to write on this blog. This style may pass at the Jobbik homepage but not here.
And I don’t remember Ricsi, that makes me feel so much better.
Hey Dude! you came here to haunt us?
That’s very considerate of you. Since you are neither able, nor equipped to deal with facts and arguments, at least do some haunting! A jolly good idea.
I personally enjoy being haunted. What a refreshing, invigorating feeling it is to be haunted by a real spook from the nyilas past! Love it!
It also provides a modicum of amusement and the reassurance that we have nothing to worry about when it comes to your kind: you are all nincompoops with zero intellect and zilch humanity.
Comrad Ricsi, SZABADSAG!
How can I remember somebody who hides behind an anonymous (sic) tag ??
So you were once on the Jobbik forums,and ?
am I to be embarrassed or proud ?
If you and Éva are genuinely not the same ,then I apologise with regards to my assertion.
Mr Risci. If you had read my item you would have noticed that I had not read the two books (by Joy and Sue). My French is not that good. I read the protocols which I found in a two (old) penny box – A box of bedraggled books for tuppence-. It worried me so I looked into it further and found out all I could about it. The essence of it was that it was a pure fake and was created to justify the ‘Czasist progroms’ which were essentially a way of stealing land and other possessions from the wretched Jews. As the book was about as reliable as the ‘Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk’, my copy of the ‘Protocols’ was returned to the carbon cycle a few pages at a time every day.
As to Zionism I would like to know what you Mr Risci really know about it and what are your sources?
I was interested to read Mr Necunoscut observations. Unlike him I have little education in the generally accepted sense of the word. Ok I can (and still do occasionally) fix my position by the stars etc, I make almost anything and have designed and implimented some very complex databases. My reading was and still is what ever comes to hand so it is a hodge-podge. Back in the old days we often referred to Hungary as the ‘Jolliest cell in the whole b****y Gaol’. That was when we talked about it at all, which was seldom.
Mr Sandor Please do not call Mr Risci a ‘nincompoop’, it gives the rest of the worlds nincompoops a bad name. In my country there is a name for one such as he! (but I won’t use it here!)
Vándorlo !
Dont waste your energy Ricsi, this site is supported by the far left, which I gurantee are getting exposed for there lies, look how the Zionists have been slaughtering the palestinians over the decades and increased there attacks only recently.. The evidence is there looking straight at you, Zionist Dictators!
Popeye,
Thanks mate,but its just a piss take for me.I know of this Jewess Éva from a long time back and thought it would be fun to see what rubbish she wastes hours on writing–A real one women ADL,Gyurcsány supporters club.
Got to go now,we are planning a BIG event for the sabbath….
should be fun and will open a few eyes.
Ricsi: “I know of this Jewess Éva from a long time back”
Somehow I doubt it. You don’t seem to know too much about me and my background.
Eva,
As you wish ! One thing is for sure,I will not give out personal info over the internet.
Our Ricsi is full of hot air. Personal info over the internet? What kind of personal info? You talk nonsense as usual. You don’t know me. You don’t know anything about me. If one is interested in finding out who I am he can look up the information I provided about my background when I began this blog
Éva,
Okay,as you wish !
I am the hot air balloon !
Good night