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László Bartus: A couple of slaps in the face (Népszava)

July 5, 2012

Below is a translation of an article that appeared in today’s Népszava (Hungary)László Bartus is the editor-in-chief of the Amerikai Magyar Népszavathe oldest Hungarian-language paper in the United States.

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Because I was the one who once managed to shut down kuruc.info, which was using a server in the United States, I know that the U.S. government does not have the authority  to forbid the operation of an objectionable website. That is legally and physically impossible. We are talking here about a civil contract that is the outside the purview of the American government. The owner of the server spells out in his “privacy policy” to what extent he allows the use of his server for racist, homophobic, or pedophiliac content.  But if the American server owner doesn’t know Hungarian, he has no idea that the site doesn’t conform to the terms of the privacy policy. This was the case with kuruc.info and its American server owner.

Since the server kuruc.info used at the time was very close to my apartment, I simply visited the owners and asked them whether they had any idea about the contents of kuruc.info. After requesting the services of an official interpreter, the owner whose name happened to be Joshua announced that he had never in his life read so much filth. Kuruc.info was immediately shut down. However, within an hour kuruc.info was back in business. They found another server whose owner also didn’t have the foggiest idea what was being spread on the Hungarian-language website. If he knew, he most likely would also have shut down kuruc.info. Thus, it should be clear by now that within half an hour kuruc.info would be functioning again from another server. This fact should be known to Viktor Orbán because, after all, this incident took place during the previous administration and was widely discussed in the media.

Getting rid of kuruc.info cannot be approached by a futile chase of server owners but  by eliminating the activities of the editors.  The website is edited in Hungary and not in the United States. So, instead of demanding satisfaction from the United States the Hungarian government could easily gather the editors of the website at any time which would mean the end of kuruc.info.  If the Hungarian national security office hasn’t been able in the last ten years to discover the persons responsible for the publication of kuruc.info it should be disbanded because of incompetence. According to news reports one of the editors is a member of parliament who is scraping together his meager livelihood at the taxpayers’ expense.  If there are no legal grounds for the editors’ arrest, the present government with its two-thirds majority could easily take care of that. That is, if it had any such intention. But it doesn’t.

I’m reminding people of all this not because anyone thinks that Viktor Orbán in his letter to the fifty U.S. congressmen is really worried about kuruc.info. Rather, the Hungarian prime minister in his answer makes the United States responsible for anti-Semitism in Hungary. As if it were kuruc.info’s responsibility that there is anti-Semitism in Hungary. Orbán insinuates that Hungarian anti-Semitism is being assisted from the United States. As if the renting of a private server would mean active assistance. He implicitly accuses the United States government of being a supporter of anti-Semitism. This is slander and outrage. The foreign ministry of a democratic country doesn’t permit sending such a letter to members of a foreign legislature.

Stepping on it

But the problem is even greater than this calumny. Orbán’s own letter actually proves that the government winks at the far right. This letter sends a message to the anti-Semites. In an indirect way he insinuates that American Jews are behind Hungarian anti-Semitism. And the real target is him, not the Jews. Orbán’s  tone resembles the style of kuruc.info.  It makes the American congressmen sound ridiculous, he cynically mocks those who express their concern over the human rights of the Hungarian Jewry. To put it mildly, this is not done in the United States. This style reminds people here of Hugo Chávez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Orbán cannot speak with American congressmen as he does with Előd Novák, Jobbik MP, in parliament. Such talk is understood in the United States for what it is. The Hungarian prime minister is causing immeasurable moral and material damage to Hungary. A statesman cannot send such an insolent answer, especially since the Americans wrote a very polite letter in which they spoke highly of Hungary and talked exclusively of the anti-Semitism of Jobbik, not that of Fidesz.

Orbán should explain why the government parties tacitly support the cult of Miklós Horthy who was responsible for the deportation of the large majority of the Hungarian Jewry. Why do they include Albert Wass, an anti-Semitic war criminal, in the national curriculum? Or why does László Kövér during a memorial service ask Hungarians to embrace the intellectual heritage of a fascist writer? And what about the “freedom fight against international capital”? Only anti-Semites speak of “colonizing international finance capital.”

Before the elections Orbán promised to take care of extremists. Quoting Miklós Horthy, he announced that a couple of slaps on the face and he will chase them all the way home. By now the situation has come to the point that he should slap around some of the people, including himself, within his own party because they speak the language of the anti-Semites. But instead he apportioned a couple of slaps to the United States which most likely is greatly appreciated by the Hungarian extremists. But those who are laughing now might cry later because perhaps now people in the United States understand that in Hungary the greatest problem is not the kuruc.info and not Jobbik. The problem lies elsewhere.

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  1. July 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm | #1

    Eva S. Balogh :
    Only the Fidesz-KDNP politicians were not there.

    Oh, yes I know. That’s what I wanted to write.

    The was also a joint press release to support the event by the Embassies of Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Finland, Germany, Ireland, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States. No biggie but Orban the 5th and his buddies should take a note.

    http://hungary.usembassy.gov/pr_06282012.html

  2. LwiiH
    July 9, 2012 at 12:55 am | #2

    Mutt Damon :
    The point here, again, is Orban’s impertinence. Or maybe just his sheer stupidity (we all know that he can barely turn on a computer). By the way if the Hungarian government would go after the Kuruc guys in Hungary they will move the editing to the US. No big deal. It is what it is. There isn’t much we can do about them.

    @Mutt, first, thanks for pointer to the DNS lesson. ;-)… What you’ve said is my point… and so sorry it’s so inconvenient to muzzle someone’s voice… but that’s the way it is in a country with free speech. As much as you might like to, you don’t get to choose who gets to say what…

  3. Respect Beauty
    July 9, 2012 at 12:47 pm | #3

    Pete H. :
    Cloudfare currently hosts Kuruc.
    Cloudfare Terms of use Section 11, Item 1. Prohibited Uses
    “upload, post, transmit, or otherwise make available any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;”
    Cloudfare
    +1 (650) 319-8930
    665 3rd St. #207
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    Some of you might politely let them know they are hosting an antisemitic, racist, and homophobic site.

    I am on the phone with Cloudfare, and they are NOT a hosting site. They are web performance and security company that proxies traffic. If you would like to report an abusive site, like Kuruc, then go to this link:

    https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/

    Cloudflare will send you the original IP addresses, and then you need to look up and contact the actual hosting providers.

  4. wolfi
    July 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm | #4

    Just a small detail so we don’t get too much confusion: The name is cloudfLare – spelled with two “Ls”.

    Don’t know if there is a chance that they might stop transferring those kuruc messsages -my Hungarian is rather limited, but the pictures are enough for me.

  5. July 9, 2012 at 3:04 pm | #5

    Respect Beauty :

    Pete H. :
    Cloudfare currently hosts Kuruc.
    Cloudfare Terms of use Section 11, Item 1. Prohibited Uses
    “upload, post, transmit, or otherwise make available any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;”
    Cloudfare
    +1 (650) 319-8930
    665 3rd St. #207
    San Francisco, CA 94107
    USA
    Some of you might politely let them know they are hosting an antisemitic, racist, and homophobic site.

    I am on the phone with Cloudfare, and they are NOT a hosting site. They are web performance and security company that proxies traffic. If you would like to report an abusive site, like Kuruc, then go to this link:
    https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/
    Cloudflare will send you the original IP addresses, and then you need to look up and contact the actual hosting providers.

    I’ve posted a complaint. Crossing fingers …

  6. July 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm | #6

    This is from CloudFlare. I included the link about Jewish Crime. They are saying it’s “bad taste”.

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  7. July 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm | #7

    Mutt Damon :
    Erik! The congressmen were complaining about the Hungarian government officials praising nazis. Don’t you think this is a bit different? You are trying to create the same fog as the impertinent Orban letter. In Hungary the national curriculum has nazis now under the FIDESZ government. Do you think this is the same as a KKK march in the US? By the way where is the double standard here? Do you think the congressmen endorse the nazis in the US, so they should endorse nazis in the Hungarian parliament too? Hmmm … I see your point.
    “US is in no position to teach Hungary lessons about racism knowing it’s long history of racial segregation which continues even nowadays”
    I don’t even comment on this … it’s a joke. The Magyar Nemzet writes like this for the average peace marcher bumpkin. The US has gone a long way to erase racial segregation. We are about to re-elect a black man in case you haven’t noticed.
    Th US representatives will voice their opinion whether you like it or not. Just like the US ambassador to Hungary was marching with the Hungarian gays and lesbians yesterday on the Budapest pride. Where were the Hungarian politicians?

    The Hungarian government is not praising any Nazis and you can’t find any Nazi content in the Hungarian curriculum. And what about the antisemitism of the Hungarian left? Should I remind you about the Zuschlag affair? Or what about the manipulative assertion by an Mszp representative who said that the government is using Mengele and Auschwitz methods? The Hungarian Jewish community condemned this rhetoric. The antisemitic label is misused bu the left trying to gain political gain. Why the US government is not concerned or raises his voice against the attacks targeting Jews in France or Belgium? It’s quite clear that behind this there is an other reason. Why Hungary if there is greater antisemitism in France, Belgium or even USA?

  8. July 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm | #8

    Oh, Erik the Misreader

    Nyiro was a nazi. Laszlo Kover praised him, Szocs, praised him, and many more in the parliament. Of course if you think that Nyiro wasn’t a nazi …

    I never wrote there is Nazi content in the curriculum. I wrote nazis are in the curriculum, like Nyiro.

    The anti-semitism on the left is very said too. But it doesn’t excuse the actions of the FIDESZ government.

    Regarding France and Belgium. Let me write it slowly for ya: g o v e r n m e n t. We have a problem with the Hungarian government. Perhaps this is the reason the congressman wrote to Orban.

  9. July 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm | #9

    Mutt Damon :
    Oh, Erik the Misreader
    Nyiro was a nazi. Laszlo Kover praised him, Szocs, praised him, and many more in the parliament. Of course if you think that Nyiro wasn’t a nazi …
    I never wrote there is Nazi content in the curriculum. I wrote nazis are in the curriculum, like Nyiro.
    The anti-semitism on the left is very said too. But it doesn’t excuse the actions of the FIDESZ government.
    Regarding France and Belgium. Let me write it slowly for ya: g o v e r n m e n t. We have a problem with the Hungarian government. Perhaps this is the reason the congressman wrote to Orban.

    You distort what they have said.
    They never praised Nyírő the political man and his fascist political mischoices.
    Maybe you have problem with the Hungarian government because is not a lackey in support of foreign interests at the expense of the Hungarian benefit. I think that’s the problem for US too.

  10. July 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm | #10

    Erik the Reader :
    Maybe you have problem with the Hungarian government because is not a lackey in support of foreign interests at the expense of the Hungarian benefit. I think that’s the problem for US too.

    Dang, Erik! You got me ..

  11. CharlieH
    July 9, 2012 at 5:52 pm | #11

    Győr Calling!

    ”……Maybe you have problem with the Hungarian government because is not a lackey in support of foreign interests at the expense of the Hungarian benefit. I think that’s the problem for US too………” (Erik)

    Cultural Learnings of Hungary for Make Benefit Glorious Thousand-year-old Victorious Nation of Hungarystan!

    Regards

    Charlie

  12. Pete H.
    July 9, 2012 at 5:54 pm | #12

    Mutt Damon :
    This is from CloudFlare. I included the link about Jewish Crime. They are saying it’s “bad taste”.
    *****
    CloudFlare received your abuse report dated July 9, 2012 regarding:
    kuruc.info
    Your abuse report was denied due to a lack of evidence. Unless you have a specific link to content that is inciting violence this is not in violation. It may be in poor taste, but it’s not calling for violence.
    CloudFlare does not censor content online, but we do comply with law enforcement agencies as appropriate.
    We value feedback from our community and will continue to work to make the service better for everyone.
    Please see this blog post: http://blog.cloudflare.com/58611873
    If you feel you have received this message in error, please resubmit the report in 7 days with more details.

    I received exactly the same response. Really sad.

    Yet their terms of use clearly states that Cloudfare Terms of use Section 11, Item 1. Prohibited Uses
    “upload, post, transmit, or otherwise make available any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;”

    Apparently they’re terms of use are just for show.

  13. gdfxx
    July 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm | #13

    Erik the Reader:”They never praised Nyírő the political man and his fascist political mischoices.”

    I am confused. There were two Nyírős? I only knew of one until now. Orwell would be proud of this new word: mischoices…

  14. gdfxx
    July 9, 2012 at 8:16 pm | #14

    By the way, when is the Hungarian government starting a reburial process, statue building and street naming for Adolf Hitler, the painter? Or to Ferenc Szalasi and Matyas Rakosi, heroes of World War I?

  15. wolfi
    July 10, 2012 at 3:05 am | #15

    @Erik:

    You are too often making the typical logical fallacies that aren’t even allowed in kindergarden:

    He did the same yesterday – now why am I being punished ?

    That someone else is a fascist is no excuse for the Hungarian government’s fascist tendencies. I’ve written about fallacies before (Louis is also veryfond of them, trying to divert all the time …) – just look here:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

    My favourite example:

    Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot said that two and two is four – how can I believe them ?

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