A footnote to the post on the chronology of the Azeri-Hungarian negotiations

One of my readers called my attention to the fact that I misread the date of the Hungarian Ministry of Administration and Justice’s letter to the Azeri Ministry of Justice. It was sent not on June 8 but on August 6. Thus the chronology is somewhat altered.

At the end of June, Viktor Orbán most likely gave the final OK to the transfer of Ramil Safarov to Azerbaijan and sent Péter Szijjártó to hammer out some of the details on July 23-24.

When Szijjártó returned to Budapest, a decision was made that the Hungarian government needed written assurance that the Azeris would follow the stipulations of the Strasbourg Convention on the Transfer of Sentenced Persons. Thus the ministry dispatched a request for such an assurance on August 8. The deal was sealed on August 15 when the Hungarians received an answer to this letter from Baku.

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27 comments

  1. Now, Johnny Boy is back with some Russian propaganda from Putin’s Russia.
    I think it was the UFOs who descended to Earth and forced Orban to transfer Safarov.

  2. An :

    Now, Johnny Boy is back with some Russian propaganda from Putin’s Russia.
    I think it was the UFOs who descended to Earth and forced Orban to transfer Safarov.

    I read it too. It is highly unlikely. Why should the American know about it? Just because Hungary is a NATO country the USA didn’t have to be informed of negotiations with Azerbaijan.

  3. This seems to be blowing up into a major international diplomatic incident (just heard it on the BBC news bulletin). While I truly hope it remains only on the level of diplomacy, I’m hoping it will call the attention of the world to the hopelessly corrupt, unjust and inept government of VO and his cronies.

  4. Typical of the Russians (KGB/FSB) to ‘get in there’ and cause some mayhem and confusion. More likely that
    they had a hand in all this than the Americans. I guess
    the scenario might be that as the Magyars become increasingly isolated and desperate for cash, brother
    Putyin will come riding in on a white horse and sprinkle
    15-20 billion euros to help out ‘our brothers’.

  5. A new voice on pol.hu sounds very interesting and competent:
    http://massay.kosubek.zoltan.dinstudio.com/diary_1_41.html

    He describes himself as “Zoltán MASSAY-KOSUBEK is an EU Policy Officer & Legal Expert in public health / environment /social security & 2011 HU EU presidency veteran with 6+ years of experience”

    And he has something to say on this case which I found very informative, so I recommend his blog.

  6. Johnny Boy :
    Just some food for thought: according to Russian sources, it was in the interest of USA to transfer the killer:
    http://atv.hu/kulfold/20120903_regnum_amerika_elore_tudott_safarov_szabadon_bocsatasarol

    and Orban famously listens to the USA since…. of I am sorry, since when? Never.
    Johnny Boy you are going wit the Russians, with the USA, and with the devil if you need to save your leader, don’t you. How about if you let Orban take some responsibility for what he has done. He does not seems to be to concerned to listen to anyone when it comes to commons sense on economy or democracy, but he absolutely lead the USA tell him what to do in this case. Poor Orban. So after all what you are saying is that he sold Hungary’s reputation to serve the interest of the USA? In any way you slice it, your leader is an immoral son of a gun.

  7. Johnny Boy, this is a preposterous report and it’s more than a little astonishing to see a Fidesz supporter rely on such bull. The US has strong interests in their ties. primarily security, to both Armenia and Azerbaijan (i.e. Armenians train on US bases in Germany, the US has two military facilities in Azerbaijan) and thus their primary interest is maintaining peace between the two and especially in using the PfP to further this. Russia, on the other hand, has unequal interests in the region with both countries still part of the CIS but only Armenia part of the CSTO, and has thus been strongly pro-Armenian and has had some conflicts (in addition to the well-know disputes over territory and resources, there are many small disputes, for example the current disagreements over the extension of the lease to the Gabala Radar Station) with Azerbaijan.

  8. Johnny Boy :
    Just some food for thought: according to Russian sources, it was in the interest of USA to transfer the killer:
    http://atv.hu/kulfold/20120903_regnum_amerika_elore_tudott_safarov_szabadon_bocsatasarol

    Hey, Johnny! Welcome back! Teach a lesson to Kovach how to represent actual views whatever they are.

    That’s not “Russian sources”. It’s from here (Baku Today):

    http://www.bakutoday.net/united-states-were-perfectly-informed-about-the-deal-between-baku-and-budapest-on-the-case-of-safarova-experts.html

    I could say “radio Yerevan” but it would be a bad joke. It’s funny how they can’t make up their mind. Their thought process is like:

    US is evil -> Know about the deal -> Orban is a pussy -> Powerful armenian lobbies in the US -> WTF? -> GO TO start.

    Cheap, mindless Azeri propaganda.

  9. Stevan Harnad :

    Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :

    Ես խորապես ամաչում
    Ես անկեղծորեն ներողություն

    You are clever. Of course, I needed translate.google.com

    Of course, I needed translate,google.com to generate it…

    Stevan Harnad :

    Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :

    Ես խորապես ամաչում
    Ես անկեղծորեն ներողություն

    You are clever. Of course, I needed translate.google.com

    Of course, I needed translate,google.com to generate it…

    Aren’t we lucky to have all that at our fingertips. I really appreciate all that.

  10. Stevan Harnad :

    Eva S. Balogh :

    Stevan Harnad :
    Ես խորապես ամաչում
    Ես անկեղծորեն ներողություն

    You are clever. Of course, I needed translate.google.com

    Of course, I needed translate,google.com to generate it…

    Now we need a real Armenian to verify what it is because Google translator cannot be trusted when it translates the same text both ways ;-).

  11. London Calling!

    Ես խորապես ամաչում
    Ես անկեղծորեն ներողություն

    I am deeply ashamed.
    I sincerely apologize

    Quite a good effort for Google! – Whenever it tries to translate Hungarian it’s a real hotch-potch.

    With regards to the soldiers fainting – it never happened at Hitler’s Nuremburg rallies! (And at least the soldiers looked fitter than the Hungarian ‘guard’ – who look as if they can only guard a bariatric ambulance!)

    Regards

    Charlie

  12. London Calling!

    I’ve just run Orban’s speech through Google translator – and it is clear why so many were fainting!

    As a courtesy to you all I have presented it to you in Hungarian – so you can appreciate the difficulty I have when you post in Hungarian:

    “Azt fogja használni az összes Pension forrásokból segítették ki az adósságunkat – és bár a jobb-kéz-láb azt mondta neked egyéni számlák – Azt mondta, hogy nem lenne szükség, mivel mindannyian úgy vélik, hogy megtiszteltetés, hogy segítsen – Mi után minden ezer évben győztes nemzet és a Super-verseny, és ezt a fajta dolog, mint egy ember – kivéve azokat, akiket észre, akik ájulás.

    Remélem mindannyian élvezték a görögdinnye ebben az évben – ahogy sikerült a “védelem” a piac az említett alsóbbrendű külföldi termelnek -, és mi továbbra is távol tartani Johnny Foreigner.

    Épp most tért vissza a “turáni konferencia”, és egy üzenetet minden testvéreink rekedt külföldön – Csak tíz évet várni, amíg a gazdaság fölött Ausztria – és mi lesz visszavásárolni az összes ezeken a területeken is elveszett. Kezeljük azt a jelentőséget, amit megérdemel – ellentétben más események folyik.

    Akkor menjünk most vissza a munkahelyén és a harc – és arat a betakarítás az öröm a munka. Meg kell most már egy találkozót, hogy az építő cég, hogy milyen az én-hoppá értem a miniszterelnök Palace halad.

    Isten áldja meg a pápa, és minden magyar (és többnyire minden)

    Orbán

    Regards

    Charlie

  13. Rather weirdly, Google Translate translates Charlie’s last line as:

    “God bless the Pope, and all the English (and usually all)”

    The mind boggles at how much trouble this sort of assumption in a translation engine could cause!

  14. London Calling!

    Yes I like Google translator!

    (I did do the cross translation too – and laughed. There was no ‘ongol’ in my text either!)

    Regards

    Charlie

  15. Stevan Harnad :
    Ես խորապես ամաչում
    Ես անկեղծորեն ներողություն

    I hope ppl here in Armenia got your message, even though google translation is not perfect, but is works. Today our president asked young ppl not to burn Hungarian flag. Who knows -may be all these spontaneous communication between Hungarians and Armenian will turn into the good friendship. I have already found something interesting from Sándor Petőfi :). Never read him before.

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