Fact-checking Christopher Caldwell’s article on Viktor Orbán

Christopher Caldwell, senior editor of The Weekly Standard, a neo-conservative magazine, wrote a laudatory article about Viktor Orbán’s Hungary. Caldwell’s conclusion is that Viktor Orbán’s un0rthodox economic policies might be worth watching. The economic crisis revealed that the Western countries have been “fiscally irresponsible, intellectually exhausted, and out of economic-policy tricks.” So, the West should let “nations follow any peaceful inclination that would allow them to serve as laboratories of policy.” But, Caldwell adds, it seems that Western leaders are not willing to countenance any such thing.

The pro-government Magyar Nemzet gave a fairly detailed summary of “To Viktor Go the Spoils: Is Europe right to distrust Hungary’s prime minister?” It must be heartwarming to pro-Fidesz forces that at last there is one American article that speaks of Orbán and his regime sympathetically. Normally Fidesz politicians and media workers hear only criticisms, with journalists pointing out the dangers of Orbán’s policies to Hungarian democracy. Every time such an article appears–and they appear quite often in American, British, French, and German publications–these people are madly looking for factual mistakes in the foreign articles. By finding small mistakes they try to discredit the content of the whole piece.

Interestingly, Magyar Nemzet doesn’t mention any factual errors in Christopher Caldwell’s article although it is crawling with misstatements. Without trying to argue with him on his analyses and conclusions, I would simply like to straighten out his misconceptions about Hungarian politics and history.

Confusion

Caldwell briefly outlines the political developments between 2006 and 2010 and mentions that after the leaked speech of Balatonőszöd “Gyurcsány rejected calls for his resignation.” In reality, Gyurcsány asked for a vote of confidence, which the MPs of the coalition parties could have denied. But they decided to support him. The opposition, headed by Viktor Orbán, did call for his resignation.

In describing the violent demonstrations right after Gyurcsány’s speech became public Caldwell is hopelessly mixed up about the dates and locations. According to him it was on October 23, 2006 that “one group tried to burn down the radio station.” Well, it wasn’t on October 23 but on September 18 and it wasn’t the radio station but the headquarters of MTV, the Hungarian public television station. According to him the policemen were the ones who wore masks, not the attackers. An interesting concept. He meekly mentions that the “demonstrations were not wholly peaceful.” Maybe Caldwell should take a look at some of the footage taken of the events.

He is also misinformed about Gordon Bajnai, whom he describes as an “MSZP businessman.” Well, he is a businessman all right but he has never been a member of the Hungarian Socialist party.

Caldwell also believes the erroneous story that “unlike other Central and Eastern European countries, Hungary did not start from constitutional scratch after the end of communism in 1989. Until this year, society was guided in large part by a constitution written in 1949.” In 1989 the old constitution was rewritten almost completely and it functioned quite well as the constitution of a democratic country, although it is true that the date on the constitution wasn’t changed.

The author manages to squeeze in yet another wrong fact about the official name of Hungary. He claims that “the new constitution changes the country’s name from the old Soviet-era ‘Republic of Hungary’ to just ‘Hungary.'” Wrong. During the Soviet period the country’s name was Hungarian People’s Republic (Magyar Népköztársaság) and it was changed to Republic of Hungary (Magyar Köztársaság) in 1989. Taking out the word “republic” is unfortunately quite significant.

When it comes to the media Caldwell claims that it is “wrong to impute widespread journalistic layoffs to political meddling rather than the worldwide collapse of the journalism industry.” Unfortunately there is more to the current Hungarian situation than the general malaise of the written media. Interestingly, pro-government publications thrive while opposition papers linger. The former are being sponsored indirectly by government advertisement and generous subscriptions. Practically no government ads go to papers critical of the government. Moreover, Caldwell seems to forget completely about the case of Klubrádió where the government’s intention to shut it down is clear and only brave judges keep it alive for two months at a time. On public television and radio stations the news comes from a government agency, and therefore the news that reaches the public is filtered by government-appointed officials.

Hungarian history is not Caldwell’s strength. He claims that Hungary “in 1920, at the Treaty of Trianon, lost two-thirds of its territory and 3 million of its citizens.” Wrong again. Not counting Croatia-Slavonia, Hungary lost 67.4% of its territories and 41.6% of its population. Considering that the total population of Hungary proper was 18,264,533 in 1910 Hungary lost not 3 million people but approximately 7.5 million. What Caldwell is talking about is the Hungarian-speaking population of the lost territories.

I was surprised to see that Christopher Caldwell thinks that there is a “Hungarian-speaking enclave” in the Czech Republic. The Czechs don’t seem to be aware of its existence.

It is hard for the author to decide what to call Jobbik, which according to him “has nationalism, and even fascism, at its heart.” He mentions that in his half-hour conversation with Ferenc Gyurcsány while he was on a hunger strike protesting the proposed voter registration the former prime minister told him:”I want to be clear–it is a neo-Nazi party.” However, it seems that Gyurcsány didn’t manage to convince him. In fact, he describes the reaction to Jobbik as “hair-trigger sensitivity.” This is understandable “given the gory efficiency with which Hungary’s Arrow Cross government eliminated the entire rural Jewish population of the country in World War II.” Oh, my! This is really bad. It was only after October 15, 1944 that Ferenc Szálasi’s government was sworn in. By then the rural Jewish population had been shipped to Auschwitz with the active assistance of the Hungarian government. At that point Miklós Horthy was still the regent of the country; he didn’t interfere until July, when he stopped the transports.

Jobbik’s anti-Roma and anti-Semite activities are described thus: “Jobbik devotes a great deal of its mental energy to Hungary’s roughly 700,000 gypsies (or roma, as they are also called), who account for much of the country’s poverty and crime, and to Israel.” Delicately put: “mental energy.” Moreover, the author can’t back up his claim about Gypsy crime (even though it may be true) because no official distinction exists between Roma and non-Roma.

I guess that’s enough for the time being. So, echoing the standard criticism of foreign journalists we hear from the Fidesz camp, with so many factual errors and outright sloppiness how much credence can we give to the author’s substantive message?

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50 comments

  1. London Calling!

    Goodness – This journalist writes for the Financial Times too.

    And you have to subscribe through FT’s pay wall to read his stuff.

    The article is quite long – I think he must have been paid for by the word count! – Quantity not quality.

    I think he must have had an all expenses-paid trip too – which he doesn’t declare (as is usual in English journalism for conflict-of-interest purposes).

    American journalism at its worst – ‘Can’t-be-bothered-to-do-the-research copy’ masquerading as a serious article giving succour to the desperate Fidesz publicists.

    He would be very unwise to defend himself here – he’ll be torn to shreds.

    Regards

    Charlie

  2. Very typical of the Weekly Standard – conveniently ignoring the facts to make a case for its breed of rabid economic Darwinism.

  3. I can not decide whether this lousy article is brainwash, whitewash or hogwash? Probably all three in one piece.

    My favourite bit is this one: ‘If you ask Orbán where he gets his economic ideas, he points to Ludwig Erhard and the “social market economy” that Germany’s Christian Democrats introduced in the 1950s and 1960s. He wants common people to have money to spend.’

    Truely incredible that the author accepts this nonsense without any form of comment or criticism. He should have enquired about facts on the ground, including unorthodox economic methods, state capture and the subsequent series of downgrades to junk status.

  4. Éva, instead of bashing poor Caldwell just write an enthusiastic letter to the editor in which you express your delight that at last Weekly Standard realized that pension savings should be nationalized and the pension system run by the state in the from of a single pay-as-you-go system; that health care should not be based on individual insurance and private institutions offering treatement rather managed in the form of a centralized, state-run service based on obligatory, proprotional contributions; calculated with a single proportanial rate; that waste managment should be nationalized and set up as a single state-run system, that energy companies must be forced to abandon earning profit on their services provided and later they should be nationalized and managed as state-run enterprises and as a conclusion you must obviously mention how you, I suppose you are a Democrat, expect the moment when Weekly Standard endorses at last the Socialist Obama.

  5. Correction to Eva.

    Pre-ww1 :

    Hungary proper= 282,849 km^2
    Fiume= 21 km^2
    Croatia-Slavonia= 42,541 km^2
    Total = 325,411 km^2

    Hungary after 1921= 93,073 km^2

    Therefore lost territories from Hungary proper= 66.1%.

  6. tappanch :
    Correction to Eva.
    Pre-ww1 :
    Hungary proper= 282,849 km^2
    Fiume= 21 km^2
    Croatia-Slavonia= 42,541 km^2
    Total = 325,411 km^2
    Hungary after 1921= 93,073 km^2
    Therefore lost territories from Hungary proper= 66.1%.

    So Mr Caldwell was fed genuine data this time

  7. tappanch, and the arrow cross are responsible for deporting 440.000 Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau from May 15 until July 8, 1944?

  8. Karl Pfeifer :
    tappanch, and the arrow cross are responsible for deporting 440.000 Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau from May 15 until July 8, 1944?

    No, deportations were carried out while Horthy was still the head of state of Hungary.

    I just found one mistake, about the lost territory in Prof Balogh’s letter.

  9. Tappanch, the territories don’t include Crotia-slavonia + Fiume. Normally we don’t calculate those territories because no Hungarian government contested the Croats’ righr to secede. See the exact quote: ” Not counting Croatia-Slavonia, Hungary lost 32.6% of its territories but 41.6% of its population.”

  10. Eva S. Balogh :
    Tappanch, the territories don’t include Crotia-slavonia + Fiume. Normally we don’t calculate those territories because no Hungarian government contested the Croats’ righr to secede. See the exact quote: ” Not counting Croatia-Slavonia, Hungary lost 32.6% of its territories but 41.6% of its population.”

    No, I would like to disagree with you.

    Hungary after 1921 / Hungary proper, without [Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume] =

    93,073 / 282,849 = 32.9%

    Hungary after 1921 / “Hungarian Crown” including [Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume] =

    93,073 / 325,411 = 28.6%

  11. No journalist who is published by The Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times and others could, in his right mind, produce such utter garbage.

    This is a PR job under another name, bought and paid for (but not declared). In Caldwell’s defense, he took the money but then peppered the article with errors to signal that it’s not his true intent. I suspect he was paid quite a bit because the article carries the risk of him having to defend himself to the editors of the above papers. But I’m sure he got a chunk…to fly in for a day, and to write nonsense that he didn’t really believe in.
    Man, but Leto and the Troll brigade, as well as the Fidesz mindless are eating up this slop.

  12. tappanch :

    Eva S. Balogh :
    Tappanch, the territories don’t include Crotia-slavonia + Fiume. Normally we don’t calculate those territories because no Hungarian government contested the Croats’ righr to secede. See the exact quote: ” Not counting Croatia-Slavonia, Hungary lost 32.6% of its territories but 41.6% of its population.”

    No, I would like to disagree with you.

    Hungary after 1921 / Hungary proper, without [Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume] =

    93,073 / 282,849 = 32.9%

    Hungary after 1921 / “Hungarian Crown” including [Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume] =

    93,073 / 325,411 = 28.6%

    In that case you will disagree with C. A. Macartney who wrote the famous book, Hungary and Her Successors: The Treaty of Trianon and its consequences, 1919-1937 (Oxford University Press, 1937). Unfortunately the gentleman by now is dead.

  13. Eva S. Balogh :
    Tappanch, the territories don’t include Crotia-slavonia + Fiume. Normally we don’t calculate those territories because no Hungarian government contested the Croats’ righr to secede. See the exact quote: ” Not counting Croatia-Slavonia, Hungary lost 32.6% of its territories but 41.6% of its population.”

    Just look at a map, Erdély itself is bigger than Csonka-Magyarország.

  14. ‘If you ask Orbán where he gets his economic ideas, he points to Ludwig Erhard and the “social market economy” that Germany’s Christian Democrats introduced in the 1950s and 1960s. He wants common people to have money to spend.’

    Is this an influence the Orban has “pointed to” before? Or just something his PR lackies would give the Fuhrer a cloak of centre-right intellectual respectability in front of a non-fascist audience? Or did Caldwell find the influence for him?

    I ran a very small-blog many moons ago and I would have been ashamed to have posted a piece containing so many easily checkable objective mistakes. For a full-time professional journalist to have delivered such garbage is beyond belief.

  15. I do not understand Hungarian nationalists. Prof Balogh made one inadvertent numerical mistake. So what? It does not erase the validity of her other remarks!

    Mr Caldwell’s piece, on the other hand, was full of misleading statements elsewhere.

  16. tappanch :

    I do not understand Hungarian nationalists. Prof Balogh made one inadvertent numerical mistake. So what? It does not erase the validity of her other remarks!

    Mr Caldwell’s piece, on the other hand, was full of misleading statements elsewhere.

    Suddenly I realized what happened, it was reduced to 32.6% of its former size and I wrote “lost” instead of “reduced.” Thanks.

  17. From his wiki page-

    “Erhard believed the major world problems were soluble through free trade and the economic unity of Europe (as a prerequisite for political unification);”

    Just like the Viktator then.

  18. Eva S. Balogh :

    tappanch :
    I do not understand Hungarian nationalists. Prof Balogh made one inadvertent numerical mistake. So what? It does not erase the validity of her other remarks!
    Mr Caldwell’s piece, on the other hand, was full of misleading statements elsewhere.

    Suddenly I realized what happened, it was reduced to 32.6% of its former size and I wrote “lost” instead of “reduced.” Thanks.

    reduced to 32.9 % or lost 66.1%

  19. tappanch :

    Eva S. Balogh :

    tappanch :
    I do not understand Hungarian nationalists. Prof Balogh made one inadvertent numerical mistake. So what? It does not erase the validity of her other remarks!
    Mr Caldwell’s piece, on the other hand, was full of misleading statements elsewhere.

    Suddenly I realized what happened, it was reduced to 32.6% of its former size and I wrote “lost” instead of “reduced.” Thanks.

    reduced to 32.9 % or lost 66.1%

    It is crazy ! I also made a mistake.
    So the correct sentence: reduced to 32.9%, i.e. lost 67.1%

  20. Poor Magyar Nemzet and its delusional followers, applauded the PR article with lots of gratitude, Orban’s name was mentioned as an intellectual creature. It worked.

    We need lots of loving care to wake up these blind masses.

    The ladies and gentlemen of old Christian Hungary prefer to live in dangerous ignorance.

  21. Veszely101 :
    Poor Magyar Nemzet and its delusional followers, applauded the PR article with lots of gratitude, Orban’s name was mentioned as an intellectual creature. It worked.
    We need lots of loving care to wake up these blind masses.
    The ladies and gentlemen of old Christian Hungary prefer to live in dangerous ignorance.

    Between the Catholic church and Orban, the populace has been dizzied into raving compliance, groveling to be abused for the sake of mother church and the holy Roman Hungarian Empire, ahem. And they are…

  22. Little off topic.

    Kuruc.info’s house historian, Lipusz Zsolt showed a little again of his mastery on misinterpreting a bunch of otherwise true historical facts and tie them together in such a way that it supports the theory about the invisible rule of the global background power (in this piece, the freemasons).

    It’s about the Great French Revolution. Yes those people had a plan to take over the world spanning over 3 centuries!! Mind you, amongst the first few comments, someone claims to have seen evidence that the Rotschild family traces back into antiquity so Lipusz’s claim is pretty modest in comparison.

    I strongly recommend anybody with somewhat firm historical knowledge on the French Revolution to take a look at it first of all for a good laugh, secondly, to gain some insight into how this people think (if you have the stomach, look into the comments). It’s a masterfully crafted circle of thoughts that looks very solid and coherent at first sight, especially that it uses correct historical data 70% of the time (of course completely out of context). You really have to have some firm background knowledge to see how nonsensical it is.

    If I wasn’t a mathematician, I think I would totally do research on extremist movements and conspiracy theories. I know that it’s really sad and scary, but it’s absolutely intriguing at the same time.

  23. The ‘truth’ of the Protocols are, again, in vogue among the Fidesz literati, except that they now refer to it in its updated mode–the Toronto protocols. As a former Torontonian, I particularly object to this designation…trading off on the good name of that
    city. And, wouldn’t you know it, it was a Quebecois, anti-semite who has put it out.

  24. Forget the minor problem of anti-semitism, and let us show empathy for our tiny Hungarian nation, which includes millions of good citizens, too.
    The last 22 years have produced a psychological start, which was characterized by the national independence. The Emergency Room departments are filled with desperate patients.

    The doctors are helpless.

    People pass out from madness. (Good that one of our friends called himself Vanek Ur, from P. Howard’s 13 Carat Roadster)

    The conclusion can be that this is a nation of great potential as always, but still in the kindergarden or elementary school and far from graduating into the future Hungarian Enlightenment.
    Many Hungarians will have to repeat a few elementary classes in history, philosophy, sociology to graduate.

    With Orbans manipulations, a new class must be introduced: “We will never not lie again. It is better to stick to the truth.”

  25. Travelling on the metro in Budapest today, I noticed the government’s new, multi-million forint advert campaign. Full page ad on the back of ‘Metropol’, the free newspaper which can be picked up everywhere around the city, saying ‘We won’t let the IMF!’. Other ads across most newspapers today apparently say ‘We won’t give up Hungary’s independence!’

    How utterly depressing. Taxpayers yet again paying for their own propaganda.

  26. I’ve sent The Weekly Standard the following mail

    Reference: To Viktor Go the Spoils Christopher Caldwell

    Dear Sir,
    I am an Austrian journalist expelled four times between 1980 and 1987 from the Hungarian People’s Republic.

    Retired Yale Prof. Éva Balogh has checked your article and found many mistakes in it.
    https://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/fact-checking-christopher-caldwells-article-on-viktor-orban/

    Are you going to publish a corrigendum?

    Sincerely,

    Karl Pfeifer, Vienna

  27. In a few years time, when the country has gone belly-up, the sole use for this brain-dead nation will be to serve as the global
    centre for the study of delusional people. The country’s only income will come from
    ‘medicinal-research-tourism’.

  28. London Calling!

    O/T Petofi! In a few years’ time……..

    In the matter of population – Hungary will only be about 5.3million in 2100!

    The birth rate is 1.3 per female – so Hungary will be quite empty!

    (It has already dropped to 9.68m (2011 data) – from above 10m (in 2010)

    (In England we have a birth rate of 1.95. We are also more ‘populate’ so our size will take much longer to diminish.)

    But seriously – as the population declines in Hungary there won’t be enough wage earners to pay the pensions and for ‘government’. Add to this the young leaving and you have a perfect storm.

    As the young leave they too unbalance the demographics – exponentially.

    The Roman Catholics better get a move on, Orban!

    Serious.

    Regards

    Charlie

  29. Bowen :
    Travelling on the metro in Budapest today, I noticed the government’s new, multi-million forint advert campaign. Full page ad on the back of ‘Metropol’, the free newspaper which can be picked up everywhere around the city, saying ‘We won’t let the IMF!’. Other ads across most newspapers today apparently say ‘We won’t give up Hungary’s independence!’
    How utterly depressing. Taxpayers yet again paying for their own propaganda.

    Metropol in Hungary belongs to Simicska, Fidesz’s former (and perhaps current) Treasurer. It is the largest circulation daily, free to the public and paid mainly by the taxpayers through ads from government agencies.

    This might be one of the many vehicles the Fidesz-related mobsters use to convert public funds to private money.

  30. CharlieH :
    Ooops… That should be 9.968m….. sorry! (Not 9.68.)

    Who knows how many people live in Hungary. The census of 2011 took place a year ago.
    Neighboring countries already had data available last spring. In Hungary, the data are still not public. The results of the wartime census of 1941 came out quicker! My guess is that the census found far fewer people living in Hungary that had been expected.

  31. tappanch :

    CharlieH :
    Ooops… That should be 9.968m….. sorry! (Not 9.68.)

    Who knows how many people live in Hungary. The census of 2011 took place a year ago.
    Neighboring countries already had data available last spring. In Hungary, the data are still not public. The results of the wartime census of 1941 came out quicker! My guess is that the census found far fewer people living in Hungary that had been expected.

    And that’s why they are dragging their feet?

  32. Eva S. Balogh :

    tappanch :

    CharlieH :
    Ooops… That should be 9.968m….. sorry! (Not 9.68.)

    Who knows how many people live in Hungary. The census of 2011 took place a year ago.
    Neighboring countries already had data available last spring. In Hungary, the data are still not public. The results of the wartime census of 1941 came out quicker! My guess is that the census found far fewer people living in Hungary that had been expected.

    And that’s why they are dragging their feet?

    You’ll see the dormant population come to life at election time…

  33. Karl Pfeifer :
    I’ve sent The Weekly Standard the following mail
    Reference: To Viktor Go the Spoils Christopher Caldwell
    Dear Sir,
    I am an Austrian journalist expelled four times between 1980 and 1987 from the Hungarian People’s Republic.
    Retired Yale Prof. Éva Balogh has checked your article and found many mistakes in it.
    https://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/fact-checking-christopher-caldwells-article-on-viktor-orban/
    Are you going to publish a corrigendum?
    Sincerely,
    Karl Pfeifer, Vienna

    Really appreciate it, Karl Pfeifer!
    Best regards!

  34. tappanch :

    Bowen :

    Travelling on the metro in Budapest today, I noticed the government’s new, multi-million forint advert campaign. Full page ad on the back of ‘Metropol’, the free newspaper which can be picked up everywhere around the city, saying ‘We won’t let the IMF!’. Other ads across most newspapers today apparently say ‘We won’t give up Hungary’s independence!’
    How utterly depressing. Taxpayers yet again paying for their own propaganda.

    Metropol in Hungary belongs to Simicska, Fidesz’s former (and perhaps current) Treasurer. It is the largest circulation daily, free to the public and paid mainly by the taxpayers through ads from government agencies.
    This might be one of the many vehicles the Fidesz-related mobsters use to convert public funds to private money.

    My copy (outside Budapest) of Metropol says “INGATLANADÓ – NEM! …NEM ENGEDÜNK AZ IMF-NEK!

    when asked by journalists the govt. explained that the people need to be informed of the current situation with IMF.

    Well, how informative can this be, when it is only a few lines, without any details included?

    On the other hand, I do wish the mock-ad (link below) get published though..haha

  35. London Calling!

    All stats for Hungarian population are showing as ‘est’ – estimates.

    The English version of the KSH site gives the 2011 population as 9.982m as ‘preliminary’ at 1 October 2011.

    (In England the full result takes about a year for England – and a little longer to include the Scottish stats.)

    So ‘a year ago’ could be considered reasonable – if counting up to 10m is not much different from counting up to 60m!

    I know the ONS in England is free form interference from Government – the stat series are released on pre-defined dates (after Sir Claus Moser – past head of our ONS – had a run-in with the government of the day.)

    I am not convinced that the KSH is free from interference – statistics can be extremely political as you have mentioned – and 9.982m is on the high side of estimates.

    Hungarian numbers appear to be extremely sensitive!

    Even if ‘9.982’ is ‘confirmed’ – will you believe it?

    “There are lies, damned lies and statistics – (and Matolcsy!)”

    Regards

    Charlie

  36. CharlieH :
    London Calling!
    All stats for Hungarian population are showing as ‘est’ – estimates.
    The English version of the KSH site gives the 2011 population as 9.982m as ‘preliminary’ at 1 October 2011.
    (In England the full result takes about a year for England – and a little longer to include the Scottish stats.)
    So ‘a year ago’ could be considered reasonable – if counting up to 10m is not much different from counting up to 60m!
    I know the ONS in England is free form interference from Government – the stat series are released on pre-defined dates (after Sir Claus Moser – past head of our ONS – had a run-in with the government of the day.)
    I am not convinced that the KSH is free from interference – statistics can be extremely political as you have mentioned – and 9.982m is on the high side of estimates.
    Hungarian numbers appear to be extremely sensitive!
    Even if ’9.982′ is ‘confirmed’ – will you believe it?
    “There are lies, damned lies and statistics – (and Matolcsy!)”
    Regards
    Charlie

    Orban replaced the Chairwoman of the Statistical Office (KSH) when he took power,
    http://index.hu/belfold/2010/06/11/vukovich_gabriella_a_ksh_elnoke/

    and recently her Deputy was also replaced.
    http://index.hu/belfold/2012/06/27/vizkelety_mariann_lesz_a_ksh_elnokhelyettese/

  37. “gárdista” complains that his posts are deleted. Yes, they are. I don’t converse with a “Gárdista” or “kuruchonvéd.” I’m a bit fussy. I don’t want anything to do with Nazis.

  38. Eva S. Balogh :

    tappanch :

    CharlieH :
    Ooops… That should be 9.968m….. sorry! (Not 9.68.)

    Who knows how many people live in Hungary. The census of 2011 took place a year ago.
    Neighboring countries already had data available last spring. In Hungary, the data are still not public. The results of the wartime census of 1941 came out quicker! My guess is that the census found far fewer people living in Hungary that had been expected.

    And that’s why they are dragging their feet?

    More likely they are so incompetent that they have actually lost the forms, all 9.whatever million of them.

  39. viktor must must be doing something the dogs are barking if it is no good well he went to school in hungary maybe the teachers )socialist comunist = did not teach him well enough

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