It would be utterly foolish to attempt a thorough description of what happened in Kamenets-Podolskii (or, in Ukrainian, Kamianets-Podilskyi), today a fair sized city in Ukraine. In earlier times it was an important Jewish center of learning, but even in Soviet times it was a multi-ethnic community of Poles, Ukrainians, and Jews. Internet descriptions of the city’s history always mention that Kamenets-Podolskii was the place where “one of the first and largest Holocaust mass-murders” took place. They usually also note that most of the 23,600 victims were Hungarian Jews.
Luckily there are some excellent English-language sources dealing with the subject. Among them is a volume devoted solely to the topic: Kinga Frojimovics’s I Have Been a Stranger in a Strange Land: The Hungarian State and Jewish Refugees in Hungary, 1933-1945 (2007), which is still available through Amazon. Randolph L. Braham’s monumental The Politics of Genocide: The Holocaust in Hungary, 2 vols. (1994) can still be obtained in an abbreviated edition. In Hungarian Tamás Majsai wrote a book about the deportations that took place in July-August 1941. I learned a lot from Mária Ormos’s Egy magyar médiavezér: Kozma Miklós, 2 vols. Kozma served at that time as a kind of governor of the territory, acquired in March 1939, which was known in Hungary as Kárpátalja or, in English, Carpatho-Ruthenia.
Yesterday I wrote that Sándor Szakály, the new director of the Veritas Historical Institute, called the deportation and murder of about 25,000 people a simple “police action against aliens.” It was not part of the Hungarian Holocaust. Why is it so important for Szakály and therefore, I suspect, for the Veritas Institute and the Orbán government to disassociate the 1941 atrocities from what happened after March 19, 1944, when allegedly Hungary lost its sovereignty? The answer, I think, is obvious. No one, not even far-right historians of Szakály’s ilk, can claim that Hungary was not a sovereign state in 1941. And yet with the approval and support of Miklós Horthy, László Bárdossy, the prime minister, Ferenc Keresztes-Fischer, minister of the interior, and Miklós Kozma, one of the promoters of the idea, all agreed to begin the deportation of Jews who had escaped from Germany, Czechoslovakia, Austria and after 1939 from Poland as well. In fact, although the official record of the cabinet meeting doesn’t indicate it, the whole cabinet gave the plan its blessing. The evidence can be found in notes jotted down by Miklós Kozma, who was present.
One must keep in mind that the northeastern corner of Greater Hungary was an underdeveloped region with a very large Orthodox Jewish community who were, especially in smaller towns, quite unassimilated. They were the ones Horthy hated most and wanted to get rid of. Kozma’s aversion to these people was most likely reinforced by living in the area. There were places where there were more religious Orthodox Jews than non-Jews. So, already in the fall of 1940 he entertained the idea of deporting them at the earliest opportunity, which came when Germany attacked the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. When Hungary joined the war effort on June 27 of the same year, conditions were ideal for the mass deportation of the unwanted Jews, foreign as well as domestic, because Hungarian troops were temporarily in possession of territories just across the border.
Hungarian gendarmes collected the victims, who were allowed to take along only 30 pengős and food for three days, herded them into cattle cars or in a few cases trucks, and took them to Kőrösmező/Yasinia, still inside of Hungary. The first group started to move across the border to Galicia and Ukraine on July 14. In the next few weeks 13,400 people were deported from Carpathian Ruthenia and 4,000 from other parts of the country, including Budapest. The majority of the deportees were taken to Kamenets-Podolskii by Hungarian soldiers, who took over the job of the gendarmes. Once there, the deportees were left to their own devices. No shelter, no food, no nothing. The few Jews in town tried to help, but they themselves were poor.
Soon enough the conditions became indescribable. Yet more and more transports arrived daily. Finally the Germans had had enough; they asked the Hungarian government to stop the deportations. In response, Keresztes-Fischer temporarily halted the deportation of Hungarian Jews, but the others continued to arrive daily in Kamenets-Podolskii. It was at that time that the Germans decided to “solve the problem.” They simply killed them and buried them in common graves. Some were still alive when they were thrown into the pit. A few Jews survived and even managed to get back to Hungary, although the Hungarian authorities doubled the number of gendarmes in order to prevent their return.

Deported Jews from Hungary in Kamenets-Podolskii / Source: http://www.memorialashoah.org
Yes, at the end of August the deportations stopped, but the Hungarian government didn’t give up the idea of resuming the deportations, especially from this particular corner of Hungary. László Bárdossy announced that because of the German request they halted the action but they have every intention of continuing it when the situation in that part of Galicia and Ukraine improves enough to accept the deportees.
Kamenets-Podolskiii was a dress rehearsal for the deportation of over 600,000 Hungarian citizens. Gendarmes were employed to gather and herd the victims into cattle cars in both cases. In 1944 as in 1941 the Hungarian authorities were the ones who seemed most eager to get rid of their Jewish citizens, and in both cases the Germans were the ones who tried to slow down the transports because they were overburdened.
So, it’s no wonder that the current Hungarian government wants to transform Kamenets-Podolskii into an innocent police action against illegal aliens. Sándor Szakály and the Orbán government are a perfect fit, and I’m certain that his Veritas Institute will do its level best to whitewash the Hungarian governments of the interwar period and make sure that Governor Miklós Horthy, whom Szakály seems to admire, is portrayed as an innocent victim of circumstances. And since soon enough all school books will be published by a state publishing house, I have no doubt that Szakály’s version of Hungary’s modern history will be the “true and only one.” After all, he is heading an institute called Veritas.
Prof. Balogh’s blog is timely as the Horthy support is gathering it’s strength. In 1941 under the “benevolent” Horthy’s regime these “Galicianers” as he called them, were kicked out of Hungary. That he and the others involved, namely Bardossy, Keresztes-Fisher and Kozma, etc had no knowledge of what may happen to these people is ridiculous to contemplate, as every Hungarian soldier who was in the area knew what happened to these and other Jews commencing soon after the Germans conquered Poland in 1939.
My own half-Jew relation who served in the Hungarian Army as a sergeant came back from the East in 1941 with photographs of Jews floating in the river and some Jewish dead in the streets and fields and tales we found hard to believe. Can anyone imagine that Horthy and the others did not know? Even if it would be suggested that they did not know, did they accept the fact that the Germans will use labour by newborn babies, young children and the old and ancient Jews which were deported from Hungary as early as 1941 and who were supposed to work in Poland and occupied Russia.
These are issues that the Germans, French, Austrians and, yes, even the Polish people dealt with in the 1980s and 90’s. The Hungarians authorities are trying to prevent that self-awareness now. It is one long, sad PR campaign that will only hurt Hungary’s national image in the long term… As if any of the Government’s half-baked PR campaigns ever helped Hungary at all.
The claim of the anti-Semitic propaganda of substantial Jewish immigration into Carpatho-Ukraine is not supported by the census data. Their percentage went DOWN between the censuses of 1910 and 1941.
In Ung, Bereg, Ugocsa, Maramaros counties combined:
1910: 129 thousand “Israelites”, 15.2% of the total population
1941: 158 thousand, 13.7% of the total population
Percentage of Israelites who declared themselves Jewish by ethnicity in 1941:
pre-1938 territory: 2.4%
1938 acquisitions (Southern Slovakia & Lower Rusinsko): 18.4%
1939 acquisition (Upper Rusinsko): 79.3%
1940 acquisition (Northern Transylvania): 31.3%
1941 conquests from Yugoslavia: 27.1%
Despite of the distortion produced by the well known revisionists, Szakaly, Romsics etc., we can find the truth in the precise ES article of Karsai : http://www.es.hu/?view=doc;14784
I am grateful to tappancs for pointing to this info-rich link:
tappanch:
January 17, 2014 at 10:14 pm | #9 Quote
In 1940, there were 96.2 thousand foreign citizens in Hungary, including 10.4 thousand Jews, according to the government data.
Click to access mt_a_korosmezei_zsdep_1941_mt.pdf
Eva, in your third paragraph your phrase “It was not part of the Hungarian Holocaust.” seems to indicate a very narrow interpretation of the concept of “Hungarian Holocaust”.
In my opinion, as long as Jews on Hungarian soil were being shipped away wantonly under such terrible circumstances by Hungarian government decision and command to a fate clearly known by the decision-makers (they knew the Germans were in the process of annihilating any and all Jews they could get their hands on) then these souls were being sent to their deaths by the Hungarian government of the time.
Therefore this deed is part of the Holcaust History of Hungary i.e. “Hungarian Holocaust” irrespective of the national affiliation or provenance of the individuals.
It’s like as if you were splitting the persons killed in the 9/11 bombing into ‘US’ and ‘other citizens’ – as regards victims of the tragedy and saying the latter group is not part of the story per se.
If the Hungarians were responsible for the process, they are responsible for their action for each individual killed. And you can count them IN as far as the causation being of Hungarian origin is concerned. To summaarize, if the Hungarian govenmnet was involved from top down I would count it definitively as part of the extermination of Jews perpetutated or heavily assisted or with the willing cooperation of the Government of Hungary.
@Andy: I think the “not part of the Hungarian Holocaust” is Eva’s interpretation of Szakaly’s words, not her own ideas.
Let us close the holocaust issue for the time being.
The orban/jobbik clique, under the guidance of finkelstein divided, incited, insulted Hungary.
It is now time to lift the Hungarian tricolor high, and oust a large number of the fidesz/jobbik guard.
“And since soon enough all school books will be published by a state publishing house, I have no doubt that Szakály’s version of Hungary’s modern history will be the “true and only one.” After all, he is heading an institute called Veritas.”
Veritas is pravda in Russian.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-says-state-history-textbooks-will-not-impose-ideology/492892.html
There are at least two words for truth in Russian: pravda and istyina. Something can be “pravda” but not “istyina” and vice versa.
Click to access AW_Russian_Cultural_Scripts_Wierzbicka.pdf
Correct. This is exactly what Szakály wants people to believe. I think it is quite clear from the rest of the post what I think.
This situation with the state textbooks is really worrying. A friend of mine, who teaches in a high school, informed me that from next year there will be a choice of two different textbooks for each subject. You can imagine what opportunities this will present for a government who want to either sweep the past under the carpet, or re-write history.
@Tappanch: The paper on the ideal Russian concepts of truth is very interesting. However, it does not throw any light on the systematic lying in the communist newspaper called Pravda and the systematic lying which is now prescribed for Putin’s new vsesojusnij schoolbooks.
It would have been helpful for the understanding of Orbán’s parallel initiative.
Let me add another topic to the discussion. This is the fate of the Jewish people with Hungarian citizenship in the Nazi-occupied countries before March 19, 1944. We are talking about the fate of as much as 12,000 people. They lived in France, Germany, Bohemia, Belgium, Holland.
The Hungarian government argued with the German government a lot about the ownership of the assets of these Jews, but did not let them back to Hungary, and thousands died in concentration camps before 1944.
Testimonies of 5,000 Hungarian Jewish survivors, written down in 1945 and 1946.
http://degob.org/
About the deportations of 1941, in English!
http://degob.org/index.php?showarticle=2019
MaZsiHiSz, the organization of the Neolog community demands the resignation of S. Szakaly in a statement today.
“We are considering withdrawing from the events of the official Holocaust Memorial year”
because of the
1. “unknown ideology of the new Memorial Center in Jozsefvaros”,[M. Schmidt]
2. “talks at the recent Horthy conference in the House of Terror”,[M. Schmidt]
3. “history falsification on state radio”,
4. “planned memorial for the German occupation in Freedom square”,
5. “interview by the leader of the Veritas institute”. [S. Szakaly]
http://www.mazsihisz.hu/2014/01/19/szakaly-sandor-lemondasat-koveteli-a-mazsihisz-6722.html
@tappanch: Finally… some noise from Mazsihisz.
As of today, “országos népi kezdeményezés” (popular initiative) to force Parliament to discuss an issue is erased from the Hungarian “Basic Law”.
This time Mazsihisz had enough. Good for them.
As for the Magyar Radio’s falsification of history I have been planning to write something about it. I have been collecting material on that so-called historian called Zsuzsa Hantó. The other person in that program was László Domonkos, another far-right person who is described as newspaperman and writer. It is enough to take a look at the titles of his books to know whom we are dealing with.
Here is another article about the 1941 deportations, by A & J Gellért
http://www.betekinto.hu/2012_2_gellert_gellert
Immigration control or genocide:
http://atlatszooktatas.blog.hu/2014/01/17/idegenrendeszeti_nepirtas
UN Holocaust Day – do not visit it. What is the credibility of a conference like this?
Lead lecturer: Carol Rittner.
To a superficial observer, the two ladies look very similar.
http://mercywords.com/Mercywords/Carol%20Rittner.html
Do we need these Christian – Jewish studies?
Can we find scholars who teach true history?
A few weeks ago I bought the 1988 first Hungarian edition of the Randolhp L. Braham book for 2800Ft.($12.50) On the link below you can still get it today for 4800Ft ($22). I presume they found a whole lot of old stock somewhere and pushed it out at a discount at Christmas. The really fascinating item I found in it was a slip which was advertising it back in 1988. It turned out that it was not available in the bookshops, you had to pre-order it to get it. No wonder they couldn’t shift them all. Perhaps most of the applicant had failed the positive vetting for having a copy. Who knows? Still, even at $22 it is extremely good value for these two wheighty volumes and would provide an excellent reference book for anyone who reads Hungarian and can’t get a copy of the abbreviated version Prof. Balogh wrote about. Another interesting feature is that there are two forewords in the Hungarian edition. One by Berend T. Iván, then president of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences and one by Braham himself. Berend did not write his foreword himself, but copy and pasted in (with acknowledgement) the text of the critique of the 1981 American edition of the book by Ránki György and that is a fascinating read too. All of it worth buying!
http://bookline.hu/product/home!execute.action?_v=Randolph_Braham_A_magyar_holocaust_I_II_&id=2102416493&type=10
Oh, and just another snippet of interest for you all that I forgot to include in my previous comment. Guess who proofread and checked the translation and was acknowledged and thanked by Braham in his foreword for being very helpful and co-operative in the publication of the Hungarian edition? Maria Schmidt. Assuming that it is the same Maria Schmidt whose present day conduct is, shall we say, less than acceptable, it just shows how many so called “experts” change their coats and how often in this country of ours!
@Eva
The MaZsiHiSz website just republished an article from ES about the state radio program you mentioned.
http://www.mazsihisz.hu/2014/01/19/merjunk-nagyot-csusztatni-6723.html
Mrs Schmidt’s own early works on the Holocaust are still relevant. I don’t think anybody here ‘turned coats’; however, a divide certainly occurred among Hungarian historians in the 1990s, many of whom were effectively participating in the political transition. Assessments of the Horthy regime, of the Holocaust, of the communist regime all became highly politically charged stakes, and the current government’s ‘memorial policies’ have pushed the situation to the absurd. The ‘Veritas’ project is the cherry on the cake – and I’m afraid we’ll have the cake and have to eat it, too.
@tappanch: thanks for the news (and more generally your contributions on these subjects). “Veritas Institute for Holocaust relativisation”, they didn’t sugarcoat it. 🙂
Szakaly is on ATV right now
He is not sure that anti-Semitism played part in the 1941 deportations.
He states that Horthy did not take part in the deliberations of the government.
He is hiding behind Braham
He is not willing to resign from his government position in Veritas
Just sinking deeper and deeper while trying to extricate the nation from its past deeds.That “1944-occupation” tale was a neat try but now, damn it, here it comes “Kamenets-Podolskii”-1941 ?.Gosh..one starts to regret that Hitler wasn’t so kind so as to occupy Hungary sooner.
But, in all fairness, there are no people (Jews included) who can accept that they ever did something wrong in history.All of them think about themselves as absolute blameless and pure victims and use (i.e. distort) history to amplify/enhance their own nation sense of worthiness and blamelessness, and to deprecate the others.
There are no honest people here on either side.One one side we hear the Hungarian nonsense about “occupation” and, implicitly, the Jews deported to Auschwitz as being ‘Hungarian-victims’ of the Germans while the State was powerless (soon Jobbik will start to commemorate them, I guess, or not ?!) and now we have this “police action against aliens”.
And on the other side we hear Elie Wiesel who intones that the Holocaust “negates all answers,” “lies outside, if not beyond, history,” “defies both knowledge and description,” “cannot be explained nor visualized,” and is “never to be comprehended or transmitted,” marks a “destruction of history” and a “mutation on a cosmic scale”.
Nobody wants to understand, neither side wants to be objective, but only to either blame others or to exculpate themselves.And nobody learns anything, because he does not want.
But – reluctantly, mind you, – he admitted that he might have mistaken, in regard, that since Braham’s publication from the eighties may new findings/studies have proved, that the Hungarian authorities indeed were aware of the fact, that the people going to be “hurt”, even “eliminated” at the end…
As they mostly were. As if it would make any differences to the victims.
Oh, come one, what a hypocrite scum!
I have high respect for Professor Braham–who, by the way, is a reader of Hungarian Spectrum– but since his huge 2-volume work was published numerous books and articles appeared focusing on this very subject. For example, Mária Ormos’s book on Kozma brought a lot of new information to the topic. Majsai’s book and the excellent article by the two Gellérts, for example.
This is not Szakály’s field and it would have been wise if he remained silent. He may lose his job as I think he should.
The funniest thing that I keep hearing nowdays is that life in those days didnt mean what it means today,,, :
@Ovidiu
I think the Jewish Holocaust was unique in the speed, organization and extent of the massacre. Say, the Germans exterminated 3/4 of the people they considered Jewish within 5 years and who were in their reach.
My first thoughts on this subject.
1.
In one year, the world will remember the genocide against the Armenians in 1915.
The “success” of this genocide influenced Hitler.
“Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” he said in 1939.
But I would like to mention that Catholic and Protestant Armenians were exempt from deportation. So were Muslim converts.
2.
The Rwandan massacre of Tutsis come closest to the Holocaust in its racially based ideology.
THere is another difference between the genocide, a term coined in 1943, against the Armenians and the Jews.
The extermination of the Jews was the central tenet of the Nazi religion.
The Young Turks regarded the killing of the Armenians as a political and practical domestic issue. They did not want to kill Armenians outside Turkey, for instance.
@tappanch
It was hardly unique in speed- in the Summer-Fall of 1941- 2.9 million Soviet POW died (were left to die) of hunger in the open-air camps (Stalags) surrounded by barbed wire where they were held.The rate of death (~3 mil/3 months) was far higher than that of the Holocaust, also the speed of the Tutsi Genocide ~1 million in 5 weeks – was higher than that of the Holocaust.
Anyway, my point was not to start an “international competition for martyrdom” but to point out that history of the Holocaust is not taught properly.Worse actually-as in those Wiesel quotes-nobody (Jews included) wants to understand the motivations of the actors and the historical, social (inter-ethnic) context which led to widespread anti-semitim.The real history is replaced by a mythology (with religious undertones–“uniqueness”, as if a parody, or a secular version, of the “chosen people” theological concept).
The result is that nothing is learn, or even the opposite is achieved.
http://forward.com/articles/151531/does-education-fuel-anti-semitism/
“And on the other side we hear Elie Wiesel who intones that the Holocaust “negates all answers,” “lies outside, if not beyond, history,” “defies both knowledge and description,” “cannot be explained nor visualized,” and is “never to be comprehended or transmitted,” marks a “destruction of history” and a “mutation on a cosmic scale”.”
This is not some intellectual, liberal, political debate – on the one side, on the other side – this is the Holocaust. It is an evil that is entirely beyond comprehension, beyond justification, and beyond forgiveness. There is no ‘other side’. I am staggered and disgusted that anyone can suggest such a thing.
What next – the Jews weren’t very nice and probably deserved it?
And comparing it with Rwanda or the Killing Fields, or Stalin’s pogroms and famines, only goes to prove how evil man can be, it does not in any way reduce the awfulness and tragedy of the Holocaust.
I have even heard Hungarians complaining that “the Jews get all the attention because of the Holocaust, but what about Hungary’s suffering after Trianon – no one goes on about that”.
They say something that warped and actually expect to be taken seriously…
Here are the detailed plans for the German occupation memorial.
The drawing of the memorial shows a huge Reich eagle and archangel Gabriel.
This is an enormous scandal.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4gcb6t1VP3eRHU2U0dRWFgzQTQ/view?pli=1&sle=true
Description:
The Reich eagle will be made of bronze/ Its wings will have a spread of 4.5 meters
I think it is safe to say that the Orban government is infiltrated, from top to bottom with echte Nazis.
The below is the official 70th memorial function – January 27th at the Holcaust Memorial Centre, stuffed with govenment apparatchiks.
Szakály, as you see, will not be absent…
http://www.hdke.hu/programkalauz/szakmai/emleknapok/nemzetkozi-holokauszt-emleknap-2014
@tappanch– a huge Reich eagle ..
Interesting concept.Without your explanation I would have interpreted it as being the Turul Bird preying on something.
Is there any other country which has erected a monument about its occupation ?
Apart of the exculpation-function, is there any other reason for such a monument ?
Previous works of the sculptor, Peter Parkanyi Raab included Albert Wass memorial in Mateszalka!!
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1rk%C3%A1nyi_Raab_P%C3%A9ter
They just couldn’t let those bloody pillars be, could they?
What a hideous crap again, right along with the twisted taste manifested in the National Theatre!
They just as well could use the mold to cast the bird from last years mishap – you certainly remember the Turul-wannabie vulture, that’s the one, in order to save a little more dough to the friends..!
What a miserable bunch of parvenues, my God!
Even in those dreadful Kadarian times they’ve put much more valuable art in public places – if you look only at their aesthetic value.
Shame!
The sculptor is a professional, but I dare say, that whoever glued together this concept better to keep with his/her scrapbooking project instead, that would be quite sufficient to reach the possible utter limits of his/her artistry.
Indeed. But as a newly appointed cheerleader for the Orbanite KulturKampf, I guess he just couldn’t help it. The whole legacy of the “Monarchy without a King, ruled by an Admiral without a sea” has to be defended at all cost.
At first, I was amazed at the complete amateurism of the last memorial decisions (‘House of Fates’, constitutional amendment and ‘loss of sovereignty memorial’, Veritas). Now, I think this is a deliberate campaign designed to entrap the Left-Liberal opposition into a posture of moral indignation. It doesn’t matter if Szakály is fired, or if the memorials are not inaugurated, etc. Come April, Fidesz will present itself as the only party who cares for ‘real issues’.