Orbán’s clan is plundering the state coffers: The world is taking notice

The talk in Hungary is about corruption. Corruption that seems to consume every nook and cranny of political life. It is an open secret that one of the main aims of Viktor Orbán, in addition to making sure that he will be the prime minister of Hungary for a very long time, is the enrichment of his friends and family. Thanks to the work of some investigative journalists, like Krisztina Ferenczi and Attila Mong, more and more evidence is surfacing that Viktor Orbán is feathering his and his friends’ nests.

Orbán is not like Viktor Yanukovycz, who lived lavishly in tasteless gilded palaces. Considering his estimated wealth, Orbán and his family live modestly. They have a comfortable but unpretentious house in one of the more elegant parts of Buda and an outright humble-looking house, designed in the style of the adobe peasant houses of yore, in Felcsút. The family’s landholdings are something else. Year after year Orbán’s wife, Anikó Lévai, added cheaply acquired lands in and around Felcsút where Viktor’s family spent some time when he was a young child. Moreover, almost everybody is convinced that the Orbán family’s landholdings are much more extensive than official documents attest to. The rest, perhaps thousands of acres, is held under the names of front men.

Viktor Orbán's country home in style of old adobe peasant houses

Viktor Orbán’s country house

For some time Hungary has been brimming with anecdotes and speculation about the Orbáns and their friends, but the charge of wholesale stealing from the national wealth could not be contained within the borders for long. Only two days ago an article appeared in one of the most influential German papers, Der Spiegel, with the title: “Orbán’s clan plunders the state coffers.” As Krisztina Ferenczi told the author of the article, Keno Verseck, “Hungary has become in recent years a kind of large estate” and the lord of the  manor is Viktor Orbán himself.

One reason for the disguised land ownership, assuming the charge is true, besides the obvious one of undeclared wealth without any legitimate means of accumulating it, is that the landholdings are heavily subsidized by the European Union even if they are left fallow. Surely, it would look bad if the European Union were paying millions for the lands of the Hungarian prime minister. There are several indications that Orbán has two front men in Felcsút, Lőrinc Mészáros and János Flier. Both by now have thousands of acres they received fraudulently from the state on twenty-year leases. Neither has any experience in agriculture. Flier used to be an electrician and Mészáros had a small business bringing gas pipes to the inhabitants of the village a few years back. Now they are in charge of large farms.

Viktor Orbán is as upstanding in politics as he is in his financial dealings. The electoral law and its execution are based on fraud. Since he has a pathological need for power, he will never allow a reprise of 2002 and 2006 when he lost the elections. This time he is covering all his bases. We talked a lot about the coming elections and concluded that the final results would be questionable, but I still suggest taking a look at some of the comments on the topic by readers of Hungarian Spectrum. Unfortunately, since the Orbán government is in charge of the mechanics of the election we will never be able to prove fraud, however obvious it might be in places.

Orbán is a role model for Fidesz officials, and part and parcel of that model is his outsize accumulation of wealth. The latest official to come under scrutiny for unexplained affluence is Antal Rogán.

Rogán belongs to the younger generation of Fidesz officials. He had just finished high school at the time of the regime change. In college he majored in economics and soon after graduation was heavily involved in Fidesz politics. By the age of 26 he became a member of parliament and three years later one of the deputies of Viktor Orbán. Currently, he is the leader of the large Fidesz parliamentary caucus.

It seems that Antal Rogán was equally successful when it came to enriching himself. We don’t know how, but Rogán, his wife, and two young children live like nabobs in “Pasa Park.” This gated community is in a part of Buda called Pasarét (Meadow of Pasha), hence the name of the building in which many top Fidesz officials live, including Mihály Varga, minister of national economy. The Rogáns have two and a half apartments worth about 300 million forints. People who are investigating the case claim that Rogán’s total career earnings so far amount to no more than 16 million forints. His wife doesn’t work. His current salary is 1.3 million forints a month, but his expenses far exceed his income. He is still paying about half a million forints a month on his 60 million forint mortgage, he has to pay 300,000 a  month for maintenance, he pays 250,000 to lease an Audi 6, and the two small boys go to a private kindergarten for 300,000 a month. And presumably the family doesn’t starve.

Rogán got into trouble because he did exactly the same thing as  Gábor Simon (MSZP): he didn’t tell the whole truth about his wealth on the financial statement he has to provide to parliament. But while Simon is in jail, Rogán only had to “correct” his financial statement. He may have to keep making corrections as new pieces of information surface. It seems he owns property that he inherited from his grandmother and father in his hometown as well as a country house in Balatonlelle.

Given the way Orbán’s “justice” works, we can be assured that nothing will happen even if the accusations turn out to be correct in every detail. Nothing will happen not only because investigation and punishment depend on the ruling Fidesz party but also because all Hungarian politicians made sure that these financial statements are not worth the paper they’re written on. If, for example in this case, Rogán says that the money for the real estate and the lavish lifestyle comes from loans extended by family and friends, the authorities will be satisfied. He will not have to give any proof of actual transactions. Knowing the high moral fiber of Hungarians, I’m sure there would be plenty of people who would gladly swear that they were the ones who extended the money to Rogán.

That’s how things are in Hungary. It’s no wonder that people are not outraged about the rumors of electoral fraud or the plundering of the state coffers. They are accustomed to corruption and think it best to remain silent. They cannot do anything about it in any case.

85 comments

  1. Election.

    Oops, something is going on…

    The detailed statistics that showed the distribution of the 91,204 “cross voters” during the day, disappeared at 11 PM on April 3, 2014 and filled with zeros.

    http://www.nvi.hu/dyn/pv14/vertaj/hu/igstat.html

    Earlier today, the link to the number of eligible domestic voters was erased at the official webpage of the Election Office NVI.

  2. Oh no, it was just being updated.

    The new number of “cross voters” is a record 105,126.

    The final number was just over 57,566 in 2010.

  3. Back in 1998, an interpreter friend of mine rang excitedly with an extraordinary story. Orbán had just become prime minister and he happened to have a huge flat somewhere near Váci Utca (which he sold when building his present Buda palace). My friend’s classmate from interpreting school had been summoned to negotiate a rental deal with some Germans for Orbán’s flat. And the extraordinary thing was this: Orbán himself, the new Prime Minister of Hungary, turned up in person, to negotiate a (wait for it!) cash in hand deal with his prospective Germans speaking tenants. That tells you everything you need to know about his priorities.

    The level of corruption in Hungarian political life has not changed enormously at any point in the last 20 years, merely the beneficiaries. But what he can do that previous governments could not, is simply change laws to exempt businesses from tax (some casino concessions near the Austria border for example) which are now Fidesz owned.

  4. I really liked the photo of Orban with Silvio Berlusconi that was part of the DER SPIEGEL article. The perfect pair!

  5. But to address the theme of this thread: ‘One reason for the disguised land ownership, assuming the charge is true, besides the obvious one of undeclared wealth …’

    There has been no charge, neither for ‘disguised land ownership’, nor for ‘undeclared wealth’. These charges attach to big-boy of the ‘Left’, Simon Gabor. How about a touch of honesty on this blog? It would be a pleasant change. My goodness the Galamus group is bereft of ground!

  6. The notification address of the 40,292 mailed-in votes from people with no Hungarian address that were deemed valid so far:

    Romania 44.06%
    e-Landia 31.25%
    Serbia 17.91%
    All other countries: 6.78%

    There were
    82 valid votes from people with no “identifiable” notification address,
    14 with a fax number only,
    12,592 with an e-mail address only, and
    459 voters gave a Hungarian notification address, although they are not supposed to have a Hungarian address.

    http://www.nvi.hu/hu/ogyv2014/853/853_0.html

  7. HiBoM :

    The level of corruption in Hungarian political life has not changed enormously at any point in the last 20 years, merely the beneficiaries. But what he can do that previous governments could not, is simply change laws to exempt businesses from tax (some casino concessions near the Austria border for example) which are now Fidesz owned.

    Up to a point this may be so but what critics of the Orbán regime claim is that corruption has become systematic, organized from above since 2010.

  8. Closing of the consulates or embassies tomorrow for the dropped-off votes:

    4 PM: Kosice, Bratislava, Belgrade, Osijek
    5 PM: Subotica
    6 PM: Bucharest
    7 PM: Cluj
    9 PM: Berehove, Uzhhorod, Miercurea Ciuc

  9. About Rogan Antal I am actually surprised that he is not living in the 5th district (the district he is Mayor) and the same for Mihaly Varga (I expect him to life in the 3rd district). Both gentlemen were involved with election openings, visits, promises in the 5th and 3rd district respectively and not in the 2nd district (1022 Budapest Hankóczy u. 4-6. http://www.pasapark.hu).

    And as to RA I expected him to have a second house in Romania (considering the campaigning he is doing there) and not Balatonlelle.

  10. Angela Bogazcy :

    There has been no charge, neither for ‘disguised land ownership’, nor for ‘undeclared wealth’. These charges attach to big-boy of the ‘Left’, Simon Gabor. How about a touch of honesty on this blog? It would be a pleasant change. My goodness the Galamus group is bereft of ground!

    Indeed, one would need the investigation of the prosecutor’s office here. Do you think that Fidesz-appointed Péter Polt (former Fidesz candidate at one of the earlier election) would agree to an investigation either of Orbán or Rogán? No, he goes for people like Hunvald, Hagyó, Szilvásy, Juhász, Laborcz. Then it turns out that most of them were actually innocent but dragged through mud for the sake of Orbán’s political purposes. Nice guys but keep defending them. It says a lot about you too.

  11. Angela Bogazcy :
    But to address the theme of this thread: ‘One reason for the disguised land ownership, assuming the charge is true, besides the obvious one of undeclared wealth …’
    There has been no charge, neither for ‘disguised land ownership’, nor for ‘undeclared wealth’. These charges attach to big-boy of the ‘Left’, Simon Gabor. How about a touch of honesty on this blog? It would be a pleasant change. My goodness the Galamus group is bereft of ground!

    It is hard to follow what you saying. SLow down. You are going to get a hart attach.

    THere will be no charge if Fidesz stays at power, Angela. . You know why? Because Rogan is the Fidesz. When the opposition comes to power there will be interesting things unfolding. I must assume that if what Rogan does not disturb you, you have similar transactions in place, so no kidding you are scared of the truth.

    How about the the two people who came forward to tell about how the tax authorities are enriching the higher class tied to Fidesz? Can you tell us what happened to them? Enlighten our readers.

    Simon does not run the country any longer, but Rogan and the Fidesz maffia does. Very scary!

  12. Ron :

    About Rogan Antal I am actually surprised that he is not living in the 5th district (the district he is Mayor) and the same for Mihaly Varga (I expect him to life in the 3rd district). Both gentlemen were involved with election openings, visits, promises in the 5th and 3rd district respectively and not in the 2nd district (1022 Budapest Hankóczy u. 4-6. http://www.pasapark.hu).

    Oops! No more http://www.pasapark.hu. Isn’t it interesting?

  13. Eva S. Balogh :

    Ron :
    About Rogan Antal I am actually surprised that he is not living in the 5th district (the district he is Mayor) and the same for Mihaly Varga (I expect him to life in the 3rd district). Both gentlemen were involved with election openings, visits, promises in the 5th and 3rd district respectively and not in the 2nd district (1022 Budapest Hankóczy u. 4-6. http://www.pasapark.hu).

    Oops! No more http://www.pasapark.hu. Isn’t it interesting?

    http://adatlap.ingatlanonki.hu/9342/11DA

  14. Sorry but I have to say this

    It is sad that the faithful followers of Gyurcsany and MSZP hardcore base feel the need to try to use these last minute election smears in hopes they gain a +1%. They hope that if they sling some mud they can escape the “totally corrupt” view that a large section of the population assigned to them after it was revealed that the MSZP vice chairman had secret bank accounts in five cities and fake passport from Bissau-Guinea. The sad reality of it is, if all their smears, libel lies and mud slinging succeed in convincing anyone not to vote for Fidesz they will not vote for the ultra-corrupt MSZP, they will vote for Jobbik.

    Jobbik is the party that has literally zero corruption cases to speak of so the above article can be considered a Jobbik propaganda leaflet even if it was not intended that way.

    And now some additions:

    “This gated community” It is not a gated community, which do not exist in Hungary by the way, that is a US term completely not applicable to this. It is an apartment complex.

    “The Rogáns have two and a half apartments worth about 300 million forints. ”

    Complete fabrication and lie. I even know what was mistranslated. Opposition politicians several times mentioned the 300 million number but not for Rogan! They said that the two families Rogan and another fellow politician of Rogan’s family together own two and a half flats. And together the two families (4 people and their children) own real estate worth 300 million forints.

    In the Eva Balogh falsified translation of these opposition press releases the two families suddenly became one family. Not even the number of flats were changed. If the numbers hold true, the Rogan family’s share is 150 million (which is only estimated market value today, NOT what they bought it for years ago when the market was down) to which Rogan has an 60 million bank loan and additional loans from family and friends. So their net wealth even at this enlarged calculation would be 90 million, while Simon had over 1 000 million in the secret accounts just found so far. Which do you think will be harder to explain?

    “His current salary is 1.3 million forints a month, but his expenses far exceed his income. He is still paying about half a million forints a month on his 60 million forint mortgage, he has to pay 300,000 a month for maintenance, he pays 250,000 to lease an Audi 6, and the two small boys go to a private kindergarten for 300,000 a month. And presumably the family doesn’t starve”

    This is unattributed, but readers should know these lines are word for word translations from a press conference given by an opposition politician Peter Juhasz. So why not be honest and tell where the information is from. Juhasz was honest and told that these are his estimates and not real numbers. For example the maintenance number he got by having data from 2000 (14 years ago) and then increasing this data for inflation (he used the example of how price of eggs rose…). So to be sure these are the estimates of an opposition politician, presented as fact. Being honest about where the information comes from is very important.

    “Rogán got into trouble because he did exactly the same thing as Gábor Simon (MSZP): he didn’t tell the whole truth about his wealth on the financial statement he has to provide to parliament.”

    This is completely false. Simon is in prison because of the forged documents (fake passport from Bissau-Guinea). The financial statement to the parliament had nothing to do with Simon’s arrest. His problems are the forged documents and also tax-evasion in that he is unwilling to reply when asked where the money was from whether it was from a legal source. The parliament financial statement has nothing to do with it.

    “Given the way Orbán’s “justice” works, we can be assured that nothing will happen even if the accusations turn out to be correct in every detail.”

    Wrong again. Rogan is a member of the Hungarian Parliament. As such he has full immunity from all investigation and prosecution. So no authority is allowed to investigate anything about Rogan, no questioning no nothing. The same goes for ALL members of the Hungarian parliament.

    The exact issue with Simon is that HIS OWN PARTY abandoned him and kicked him out. Therefore stripping his membership of parliament his place as a candidate for parliament everything. Simon would have had full immunity from all investigation if his party stood by him. But not even his own party was willing to do it they threw Simon to the wolves.

    /end rant

  15. LOOKING IN THE MUD-SMEARED MIRROR

    A Fidesz troll hiding under the false name of sad, really :

    has charged the supporters of the democratic opposition with “mud-slinging” for an extra +1% of the vote.

    If the posters to the Hungarian Spectrum had the misfortune to live in Hungary, this valiant troll’s handlers would no doubt adjust the laws so as to be able to throw them in jail, as they’ve tried to do with everyone else, and meanwhile they would make sure the Fidesz press (i.e. virtually all of it) covered them them unrecognizably with the mud that has become Fidesz’s signature element. (The white-washing of Jobbik was a new one — I guess just for nameless Fidesz trolls, while Fidesz feigns abhorrence…)

  16. I don’t think that “sad” is really terribly sad for me, but let me just say that I–and I’m not alone–don’t believe one word about Simon’s Guineau-Bissau passport. A very smart person, a lawyer who often phones György Bolgár on Klubrádió, said today in his program that in retrospect we all knew that the show trials of the Rákosi period couldn’t have been possibly true because the charges were so outlandish. It is the same thing with this passport story. What did Simon need this passport for? Up to now the only thing we know about the passport is that Welsz had it in his safe and he went and opened a bank account either with it or without it in the name of Gabriel Derdák (or something like that) which is Simon’s mother’s maiden name. That’s all. But if that is enough for our sad fellow I am just astonished at either of his naivety or, I’m sorry to say, of his stupidity.

  17. It does not matter what Simon did or not do. He has no bearing on what Fidesz does today.
    Get away from the distraction Fidesz tries to do every so often since Orban made look like fool by Gyurcsany in their debate way back. Orban still cannot get over it and he is afraid to even get into a debate now. His only way to distract people from his “tricks” is dragging everyone through the mud who is in his way. Each and every charge Orban is trying to bring on fails.
    Whatever if Simon is a crook. Be it. WHat are Orban, and his buddies? What are they doing today? How did they robbed people off from their private retirement savings? How did they managed to give out the lands, the tobacco shops and so forth?

    If Simon did not (supposedly) steel this money, would the tobacco shops would be with the people who deserve it, would the lands would be given back to real farmers (as it is now held by bureaucrats, who does not even pulled a single carrot out of the soil in their lives), would the tax office finally investigate, would the education suddenly become better?
    How Hungary is doing today has noting to do with Simon. Orban did not need Simon’s help to do to his own people what he has done. Fidesz robbed the people from their future by feeding them with lies and PR, and paying for foreign PR companies to come up with “great ideas”.

  18. These reports in the Spiegel, the Guardian and now even the NYT prove that there is an international conspiracy by the usual suspects against His Excellency Viktor Orbán, the charismatic and respected Prime Minister of Hungary …

    Irony modus off …

    PS: This text is almost verbatim from some comment on pol.hu …

  19. Eva S. Balogh :
    I don’t think that “sad” is really terribly sad for me, but let me just say that I–and I’m not alone–don’t believe one word about Simon’s Guineau-Bissau passport. A very smart person, a lawyer who often phones György Bolgár on Klubrádió, said today in his program that in retrospect we all knew that the show trials of the Rákosi period couldn’t have been possibly true because the charges were so outlandish. It is the same thing with this passport story. What did Simon need this passport for? Up to now the only thing we know about the passport is that Welsz had it in his safe and he went and opened a bank account either with it or without it in the name of Gabriel Derdák (or something like that) which is Simon’s mother’s maiden name. That’s all. But if that is enough for our sad fellow I am just astonished at either of his naivety or, I’m sorry to say, of his stupidity.

    MSZP is full of these naive and, sorry, stupid people. I mean one has to be a total idiot to be even on speaking terms with a person like Welsz. He was a weirdo troublemaker, according to rumors very close to the intelligence and involved in serious, fraudulent activities. He was a spieler, with no transparent source of income. Why would anybody, especially a politician, want to even know this guy?

  20. Yes, it’s interesting in a way that Simon has said nothing since being taken in by police – or did I miss something?

    Has there been any statement by him, his lawyer (I presume he’s got one?) or the authorities which must surely have asked him some questions.

    Also the statements by the banks involved with Welsz, are there any detailed reports on them?

    And what about Welsz’s girlfriend?

    PS: There may be some things in Hungarian, but these are too difficult to find and read for me (blush …) and my wife won’t look at that! She’s totally fed up with Hungarian politics, she’ll vote LMP even if it may mean her vote is lost …

  21. @wolfi

    His lawyer spoke yesterday:

    http://www.atv.hu/videok/video-20140403-nagy-istvan

    In essence:
    People are not put in pre-trial detention for tax evasion.

    Simon’s arrest and detention for passport forgery is unlawful,
    he had nothing to do with fake passports,

    The maker of the alleged passport, Welsz is dead. How can the prosecutors claim
    that the alleged passport was fake if it is nowhere to be found?

  22. A. L. B. (we know who that is …) has joined the other critics in the ECONOMIST’s blog:
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/04/economist-explains-0

    “HUNGARY goes to the polls on April 6th and Viktor Orban, the pugnacious prime minister, looks set to coast to victory. Few political leaders arouse such furious passions as Mr Orban. Possessed of messianic self-belief, he enjoys an almost cult-like devotion from his supporters. They regard him as a national saviour who has rescued Hungary from the stranglehold of the European Union, the IMF, rapacious multinationals, greedy banks and urban liberals who would sell the country to foreigners. Mr Orban’s opponents regard him as a ruthless control freak and autocrat in the making. Who is right?”

  23. As an American who who has been coming to Hungary since I was a child I have to say there is some denial in the dialog on the level of corruption in Hungary that crosses party boundaries. I know it existed under the Kadar regime too because I saw it. Here in Chicago we sort of treasure our political corruption as part of our heritage and treat various politicians who are being escorted off to prison as media stars, until they are locked up and then we go on to the next character. We rarely blame the other party for setting up a politician because we assume the corruption exists everywhere.

    The level of corruption in Hungary or for that matter here in Chicago is nothing in comparison to what I witnessed in the Republic of Vietnam before it fell in the 1970s or what returning US combat veterans tell me about Afghanistan. Under development breads corruption whether it is in urban America or Hungary. Orban given his power has shown great restraint in blatant displays of wealth, but there is probably little doubt he and his family are incredibly wealthy by Hungarian standards. I suspect that most Hungarians believe Orban and his immediate followers have enriched themselves, but they are also happy they have shown some restraint in flaunting this wealth. I guess it is a paradox.

    It is certainly possible to show how Orban has taken care of his home town, but I suspect that there are many Hungarians today living in small towns who are not outraged but envious of what Orban has done for Felcsút.

  24. New numbers about the the mailed-in/dropped-off votes from Transylvania, Serbia and e-Landia:

    Votes received: 122,640
    processed: 73,453
    accepted as valid: 58,695

    valid votes

    Romania: 46.0%
    e-Landia: 28.0%
    Serbia: 15.3%
    other places: 10.7%

  25. valid votes as % of processed votes

    March 31: 75.5%
    April 01: no processing
    April 02: 81.0%
    April 03: 80.4%
    APril 04: 80.7%

  26. Pace of processing of mailed-in votes

    March 31: 11,202
    April 01: 0
    April 02: 17,852
    April 03: 21,601
    April 04: 22,797

  27. “Possessed of messianic self-belief, he enjoys an almost cult-like devotion from his supporters. They regard him as a national saviour who has rescued Hungary from the stranglehold of the Euro” per New York Times. (Thanks Wolfi.)
    They nailed it. When you read most comments that support Fidesz and Orban you certainly get a sense of disbelief about the posters. Most of the time their response contains no facts, or include materials that are taken out of context, or has no relevance to the issue, or contains accusations that contains references to Fidesz’s smear campaign (PR at work).

    The belief of the “doomsday”, the outside conspiracy against the “good”, only those will be rewarded who are members of the “cult” (Fidesz), the teachings of the young must be controlled, all the leaders “faults” are actually a gift that they deserve. Everyone who is not member of the “cult” or questions the motives of its leaders should be punished. After everyone enjoys the cult, they will go to heights never seen before.

  28. Fidesz / Orban election freud, new addition:

    As we (I mean civilized members of society) know at the voting locations the returning officers, election officers should not have any party affiliation. It turns out that Fidesz and Orban are stuffing the voting locations with Fidesz members (or for sure with people who were members of Fidesz couple of months ago).
    At any case in the city of Baja some politicians recognized some Fidesz’ names from the 120 names that they were allowed to look at for ten minutes.

  29. @HiBoM:

    I have to disagree! But first thanks for that link – it’s incredible what those people at Átlátzsó have found out – even with their limited resources.

    The Simon story is peanuts compared to the other things those guys describe and they think so too imho and they also say quite clearly that this was orchestrated for the elections.

    And it’s also quite clear that Közgép/simicska etc were very active during the MSZP reign – still unbelievable that a party treasurer becomes a milliardaire in a few years.
    Of course Russia is full with similar stories.

  30. I agree with Wolfi. This is an entirely different situation in nature and in execution. It is all embracing and centrally directed from the top. The old MSZP corruption was ad hoc and individually handled.

  31. For people with knowledge of Hungarian. A fantastic letter to Mihály Varga from an 18-year- old high school student who is currently studying in the United States. Good for the young fellow. He received in Hungary a letter from Mihály Varga who is running in the district he and his parents live. The letter is intended to urge first-time voters to go and vote. Well, you can imagine what the answer was: he would like to vote very much but “you people deprived me of this opportunity.” And since Varga used the familiar form of address, our young man does the same with him. It is delightful.

    http://www.galamuscsoport.hu/tartalom/cikk/371471_level_varga_orszaggyulesi_kepviselojeloltnek

  32. @sad really

    You seem to know what the facts of the Simon case are even thought these ‘facts’ are leaks through Magyar Nemzet, NOT facts of the case. Apparently, there IS NOT a foreign passport but you seem to take it as a ‘given’.

    The abandonment by his party was wrong; and may well have been done to avoid a full-scale
    PR disaster…Mesterhazy and others thinking that the matter wouldn’t be handled–as clearly no democratic country would do so–during an election period.

    But Orban/Pinter/Kover’s Hungary ‘knows better’:
    –financial penalties for parliamentary members
    –selective law enforcement
    –para-military organization for Parliament and for the Prime Minister

    Yup, they know better….but it certainly ain’t DEMOCRATIC, or GOVERNMENTAL. It’s more
    like Kafka State 101, course outline from KGB headquarters…

  33. @Istvan

    “I suspect that there are many Hungarians today living in small towns who are not outraged but envious of what Orban has done for Felcsút.”

    Precisely.
    Hungarians don’t care about cheating: they just want to make sure they get THEIR chance at it, too.

  34. MEGA – MEGA corruption.

    Fidesz is the absolute champion.

    The wealth of Gyurcsany and Bajnai can be explained with some business history.

    There is no such an explanation for Orban. His wealth is based on corruption.

  35. Re Orbán’s or other mafiosos’ lands:

    Someone told us that near Törökszentmiklós a high fence was erected around some piece of land, they even changed the road outline (?).

    Nobody seems to know what’s lurking behind that fence which is heavily guarded.

    Really strange!

  36. Election – vote counting.

    THere are 3 appointed vote counters in every precinct. They cannot be members of any party. So they leave Fidesz before the election, and are appointed by Fidesz-appointed Election Office officials.

    http://nol.hu/belfold/egyszer-legeny-maskor-hazas-1454325

    THere can also be vote counters by the parties. Their number must be two per precinct, or they cannot count (one-precinct small villages are exempt) .

    In short, the united opposition was not able to field vote counters in 20-25% of the precincts, and the appointed “independent” counters are most likely fideszniks.

    Situation as of April 2:

    Fidesz counters: 17,598
    Opposition counters: 13,494

  37. petofi :
    @sad really
    You seem to know what the facts of the Simon case are even thought these ‘facts’ are leaks through Magyar Nemzet, NOT facts of the case. Apparently, there IS NOT a foreign passport but you seem to take it as a ‘given’.
    The abandonment by his party was wrong; and may well have been done to avoid a full-scale
    PR disaster…Mesterhazy and others thinking that the matter wouldn’t be handled–as clearly no democratic country would do so–during an election period.
    But Orban/Pinter/Kover’s Hungary ‘knows better’:
    –financial penalties for parliamentary members
    –selective law enforcement
    –para-military organization for Parliament and for the Prime Minister
    Yup, they know better….but it certainly ain’t DEMOCRATIC, or GOVERNMENTAL. It’s more
    like Kafka State 101, course outline from KGB headquarters…

    I forgot to mention: the government (or some such entity) has signed the 10 billion euro Paks loan–sans Parliament review or debate or…whatever…
    Hajra Magyarok! Ejjen a Viktor!!!

    (Orban’s destruction of Hungary will rival that of Hitler’s destruction of Germany, but Orban will have done it without a war. Ain’t he the best????)

  38. Eva S. Balogh :

    Angela Bogazcy :
    There has been no charge, neither for ‘disguised land ownership’, nor for ‘undeclared wealth’. These charges attach to big-boy of the ‘Left’, Simon Gabor. How about a touch of honesty on this blog? It would be a pleasant change. My goodness the Galamus group is bereft of ground!

    Indeed, one would need the investigation of the prosecutor’s office here. Do you think that Fidesz-appointed Péter Polt (former Fidesz candidate at one of the earlier election) would agree to an investigation either of Orbán or Rogán? No, he goes for people like Hunvald, Hagyó, Szilvásy, Juhász, Laborcz. Then it turns out that most of them were actually innocent but dragged through mud for the sake of Orbán’s political purposes. Nice guys but keep defending them. It says a lot about you too.

    Eva, you have referenced here the very peculiar Hungarian judiciary. The bulk of it is still the MSZMP mafia. Many of its members do find innocence in very unlikely quarters, or impose amazingly lenient penalties.

    When you ask me whether I think Dr Polt would agree to prosecute Messrs Orban or Rogan, I can give you my unequivocal ‘yes’ answer: I have no reason at all to consider Dr Polt less than a man of integrity. But you have jumped the gun: Neither Mr Orban nor Mr Rogan has been referred to the Prosecutor. Do you know why? I’ll tell you: because they have no case to answer; no investigative authority has brought a case against them. The fantasies you have indulged in your essay on this thread about their wrongdoings are just that — fantasies, and pretty libellous ones at that.

    If you think that something is revealed about me by my inferable respect for Mr Orban and Dr Polt, then thank you. I am flattered.

  39. Some1 :

    Angela Bogazcy :
    But to address the theme of this thread: ‘One reason for the disguised land ownership, assuming the charge is true, besides the obvious one of undeclared wealth …’
    There has been no charge, neither for ‘disguised land ownership’, nor for ‘undeclared wealth’. These charges attach to big-boy of the ‘Left’, Simon Gabor. How about a touch of honesty on this blog? It would be a pleasant change. My goodness the Galamus group is bereft of ground!

    It is hard to follow what you saying. SLow down. You are going to get a hart attach.
    THere will be no charge if Fidesz stays at power, Angela. . You know why? Because Rogan is the Fidesz. When the opposition comes to power there will be interesting things unfolding. I must assume that if what Rogan does not disturb you, you have similar transactions in place, so no kidding you are scared of the truth.
    How about the the two people who came forward to tell about how the tax authorities are enriching the higher class tied to Fidesz? Can you tell us what happened to them? Enlighten our readers.
    Simon does not run the country any longer, but Rogan and the Fidesz maffia does. Very scary!

    You know what? You are among the thickest people I have come upon. Indeed, you give me a ‘hart attach’. (Sheeesh!) I really cannot be bothered with a response to your quite senseless ramblings.

  40. I would like to congratulate Eva Balogh!

    You and your friends managed to create almost complete brainwashing process for the not too bright low-information voters. They only know what you tell them, and nothing else! A real achievement. Let us look at an example:

    wolfi wrote:

    “The Simon story is peanuts compared to the other things those guys describe and they think so too imho and they also say quite clearly that this was orchestrated for the elections.”

    You managed to brainwash this poor soul to the point where he believes that Simon’s bank accounts created in 2008(during the height of Socialist power) and filled with millions of euros were somehow orchestrated for the elections!!! Truly remarkable! This man, wolfi is defending Simon more than Simon is defending himself! Simon never said that he didn’t open the account, he never said that he was set up, he never said that there was supposed to be 200 euro in there and he was surprised to find a little larger amount.

    And yet, this man wolfi, a low information voter just eats up all of it. Everything you tell him, he believes without hesitation without concern without a thought in his brain. He thinks something in 2008 was orchestrated for the 2014 elections. Congratulations on a job well done!

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