The disappointment among sympathizers of the democratic opposition forces is indescribable. But reasonable barometers of the mood in this circle are the call-in shows on Klubrádió and ATV, which by now are the only opposition electronic media in Hungary. Of course, among the callers there are always those who believe that, if they had been in a position to decide, they would have done much better than the Bajnai-Mesterházy-Gyurcsány trio and who offer their pearls of political wisdom. But a lot of the callers simply describe their utter shock when they heard that Fidesz would most likely win again with a two-thirds majority.
Not that these people ever thought that the Unity Alliance would win the election, but the size of the Fidesz victory made them despair. Many students are ready to leave the country at the earliest opportunity because they don’t want to live in Orbán’s Hungary. Even before the election every third person in the younger generation was planning to leave the country. I suspect that the emigration will only accelerate in the future because I very much doubt that the Hungarian economy will improve any time soon, especially if Orbán and Matolcsy continue their unorthodox economic policies. It is also unlikely that the Orbán regime will change political course. No, they will continue their aggressive war against all the foreign and domestic “enemies” of their regime. It’s enough to note that immediately after the election Orbán gave the go ahead to erect the controversial monument to the German invasion of March 19, 1944.
Yet the democratic opposition must continue to fight the good fight because its electoral results were not as bad as they appeared at first sight. As Árpád W. Tóta said in his last opinion piece, if 1,200,000 voters stuck it out with this two-left-handed Unity Alliance, not everything is lost. The opposition simply has to do a little better, which shouldn’t be that difficult.
The disheartened sympathizers will bounce back. Soon enough, especially if the democratic opposition finds someone who can actually lead the anti-Orbán forces effectively, they will once again gather around the liberals and socialists. I am not worried about them. I am, however, very concerned about the politicians and the so-called political scientists who are now engaged in a blame game.
The finger pointing has already started. Attila Mesterházy blames everybody except himself. He doesn’t think he should resign from the chairmanship of his party. Too bad he doesn’t listen to the callers on Klubrádió. I don’t know what his colleagues in MSZP think (perhaps we will see in May), but László Botka, mayor of Szeged, announced that “continuing in the same way and with the same set-up is not worth doing.”
Or there is Gordon Bajnai, who once it became clear that he would not be the candidate for prime minister succumbed to Weltschmerz. After a fleeting appearance in politics he has already had enough. He is throwing in the towel. He just announced that he will not take his parliamentary seat. And the PM people will all resign after the European parliamentary election. That would be fine if there were a second tier of politicians behind them. But there isn’t.
According to the politicians of Együtt2014-PM and MSZP, the whole Unity Alliance was a mistake. Mesterházy apparently announced right after the election that “we could have done that well alone.” Bajnai declared on Sunday night that they will “never again agree to any unprincipled political compromise.” These politicians are reinforced by the talking heads who also suddenly discovered that the whole alliance was a huge mistake. It was a forced and unnatural political amalgam of diverse political groups. Yes it was, but it was Viktor Orbán’s devilishly clever electoral law that forced that straight jacket on them. The great minds who ex post facto condemn the joint action don’t ask what would have happened if three or four opposition politicians ran against a single Fidesz candidate. In that case, surely, not one district would have been won by the democratic opposition.
Given the mood of the Bajnai and the Mesterházy groups, it seems there won’t be a united parliamentary delegation either. Both Együtt2014-PM and DK have only four parliamentary representatives, not enough to form a caucus. Only parties with a minimum of five members can have a caucus. That doesn’t seem to bother Együtt2014, whose politicians already announced that no meaningful political activity can be conducted in a parliament in which one party holds a two-thirds majority. They will conduct most of their activities on the streets. Unfortunately, the last two years showed how difficult it is to convince sympathizers of the democratic opposition to take an active part in street demonstrations. MSZP has its own caucus and therefore could care less what the Bajnai group does.
DK politicians haven’t said much, but from the little I heard from Ferenc Gyurcsány it looks as if he is in favor of joint action and a joint caucus. This solution now seems close to impossible. Gyurcsány did mention that DK might approach Gábor Fodor, the lone “representative” of the Hungarian Liberal party, to join them. After all, it was Gyurcsány who convinced Együtt2014-PM and MSZP to put Fodor high enough up on the party list to assure him of a seat in parliament. Yesterday Fodor said on ATV that no such request had come from DK. Today, however, in the early afternoon Fodor announced that DK did approach him and that “the leadership” of his party had decided against it. DK’s spokesman denies that they approached Fodor with such an offer.
Otherwise, DK has already begun its campaign for the forthcoming European parliamentary election. They are collecting signatures. It was decided some time ago that the three parties would try their luck individually at the EP election. Of the three parties, only MSZP has a chance of actually sending representatives to Brussels. But since people can vote only for a party list in the EP election, Együtt2014-PM and DK can use this election to get a rough sense of their relative strength among the electorate.
So, this is where we stand. Not a happy picture.
I do not want to answer the original question. Do not forget maybe I am from a lowlife district, so why would you care. Oh… did I say scum before you said lowlife? I am confused.
SO after Rogan and his other Fidesz buddy, there is new development. An other Fidesz functionary, Attilla Imre Horvah, State Secretary of the Ministry of National Development (Fidesz of course!) forget to include on his tax papers his Cyprus offshore company, New Palace Investment LTD. He was also the manager of the company and that is incompatible with is function. http://vs.hu/eltitkolta-offshore-ceget-az-allamtitkar-0410
Godon Lurie writes: “as in Szeged, or even in the countryside such as Szolnok and its various towns.”
Hmmmmm…..so goes the knowledge of Hungary beyond BP…
“Why do you think Fidesz won in all intellectual districts of Budapest and lost in the lowlife districts?”
Well, I am rather proud to be one of those lowlife you refer to Johnny Boy.
Much rather that than the Nazi sheep who are cheering their scumbag leader on as he rubs the Jewsá noses into the dirt on Szabadsag Ter
O tempora o mores!
Rogan’s district jegyző (bureau chief or deputy – better translation??) left the price tag on the sole of his new shoe by accident.
Well, this mid-level apparatchik of Orban’s era wears a one thousand euro shoe. This money is twice the average net salary in one month.
http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20140410-selley-zoltan-az-v-keruleti-jegyzo-es-az-o-980-euros-cipoje.html
Price tags for seats in Orban’s Parliament – updated this evening with all the “Transylvanian” votes in.
1 Fidesz individual district seat= 12,335 votes,
1 Left Alliance individual district seat= 16,924 votes,
1 party list seat= 84,941 votes.
Is this equality under the law?
Report from the planned site of Orban’s Nazi memorial:
1. The scaffolding was disassembled for the third time today.
2. The building permit shows days April 7 to May 31. From this we have evidence
that Orban lied about a truce until the end of Easter (he signed his letter before the election)
3. For the first time police frisked someone. A representative of Orban’s bodyguard’s commando unit was also present.
4. The jegyző with the 1,000 euro shoes [see above] ordered a “keep out” sign to be put up.
Source:
http://nol.hu/belfold/megint-bontjak-a-kordont-a-szabadsag-teren-1455833
The stadium for the megalomaniac’s backyard is ready:
Finally Fidesz admitted that they were the ones who sent the spam text messages to thousands of mobile users phone in the name of the independent COF / Peace March.
THey are no twilling to disclose how much they spent on this venture.
As I pointed out before there should be an audit done on the election spending of Fidesz and to find out if COF / Peace March is truly just a money laundering facility of Fidesz. When the audit is done with COF /Peace March / Fidesz, they could move onto Rogan and his sister as well the other two Fidesz parliamentarian who “made a mistake” when filed their taxes.
“La victoire de Viktor Orban est aussi une défaite pour l’Union européenne.”
http://www.lemonde.fr/a-la-une/article/2014/04/10/hongrie-les-elections-inequitables-de-viktor-orban_4399183_3208.html
There was a big debate between Andras Schiffer and Olga Kalman on ATV a few days ago. The Hungarian media was filled with it. I think it is worth a post on this blog to discuss it.
http://cink.hu/nem-pillanatnyi-rovidzarlat-volt-kalman-olga-amokfutas-1561248932/+szilylaszlo
http://vastagbor.blog.hu/2014/04/09/schiffer_huvos_eleganciaval_kergette_az_oruletbe_kalman_olgat
http://comment.blog.hu/2014/04/09/kalman_olga_lyukra_futott_schiffer_andrassal
http://cink.hu/schiffer-andras-kalman-olga-100-0-1561004788
http://cink.hu/a-nap-amikor-kalman-olga-atombombat-dobott-a-magyar-t-1561217667
kommentelo: Which we discussed in the previous post already.
@Petofi – “Fidesz won because:
–they counted the votes
–they controlled all the media (ATV doesn’t count as so few can access it)
–the proliferation of parties confused the public
–money for campaigning was withheld from the major opposition parties
–relentless, bogus, attacks on opposition members
–…and a host of other, fraudulent-inspired reasons (there’s just no adequate english word
for the hungarian, ‘szelhalmosag’…)
AND ALSO,
Fidesz does something for the deflated Hungarian ego–fills it full of the helium of Nationalism.
(And periodically, Orban serves up a dish to satisfy the national predilection for anti-semitism–the calculated insult to the jewish community of continuing the building of the german monument without the agreed upon consultation, falls into that category.)”
No, Fidesz won because the majority of the Hungarian voters were reading your comments in the last few years. They won, because the “ego-filled” voters got sick of being called an “anti-Semite”. They won, because they delivered: they united the Hungarian people, cut utility prices etc. etc. Well, so far so good. I admit that there is more to be done re: coming to some kind of peaceful agreement with Jewish Organizations; create more employment etc. etc., however I’d like to believe that they use the next 4 years looking at the best interest of the Hungarian people. Let them govern, after all they were elected by the majority of the Hungarian people. Respect their decision.
“Let them govern, after all they were elected by the majority of the Hungarian people.”
No they weren’t. They were elected by a minority of the 60% or so who voted,
“Respect their decision”
Never respect Nazis or their apologists is a pretty good rule of thumb for any decent citizen of a civilized country.
@oneill -” “Respect their decision”
Never respect Nazis or their apologists is a pretty good rule of thumb for any decent citizen of a civilized country.”
So what you are saying that voters who voted for Fidesz are all Nazis (I didn’t vote for them, I’m Hungarian but I’m not a Hungarian citizen)…. According to “Petofi” they are all “anti-Semites”. Hm….NOT looking good…..In your analysis, they were not elected by the majority…..in this case, how come they managed to win with a 2/3 majority? What you are saying here that the Hungarian people are disgusted with the reduction in utility costs, the unification of Hungarians from the neighboring countries etc. etc. and you are calling for my rejection for commenting on the above issues. Just for the record: I’m neither an anti-Semite or a Nazi. It should be obvious to you by now (see election results)that Hungarians do NOT like to be called anti-Semites and Nazis!
My latest books (3 x part) The Gresham Symphony – is available on Amazon.com/kindle (Thank you, dear Eva for allowing me this last sentence).
@latefor:
Seems you’re playing with “truthiness” too often!
Yes, Fidesz got the supermajority – but not because they were elected by the majority of the voters (they only got 45 %) but because of the quirks of the elction law!
Ande oneill wrote:
“Never respect Nazis or their apologists” and Fidesz surely contains a lot of Nazi apologists – just to mention Wass etc …
So better be careful, don’t call other people here liars …
“So what you are saying that voters who voted for Fidesz are all Nazis (I didn’t vote for them, I’m Hungarian but I’m not a Hungarian citizen)….”
Did I say that?
But, if you want to go down that road, then… if the hat fits and all that.
And I strongly suspect (and you know probably better than I) that the typical Fidesz/Jobbik voter really doesn’t care if they are regarded as anti-semite, racist or nazi. More likely, too big an element of them would consider it as a badge of pride, hence their Fuhrer’s Jew-baiting in Szabadsag Ter, he knows it’s a vote winner amongst a certain primitive element of the electorate.
What next you reckon? A pogrom on a Roma settlement from the Jobbik blackshirts? With the State looking conveniently the other way?
Followed, of course, by the Fuhrer proclaiming that once again Hungarians are not to blame for the attocities they have inflicted upon other Hungarians but are actually the innocent victims of outside forces? Get the historical parallel?
Because you have no answer unless you completely give up your virtual world in which the intellectuals support you.
No they do not. The vast majority of them supports Fidesz and LMP.
@O’neill -” Never respect Nazis or their apologists is a pretty good rule of thumb for any decent citizen of a civilized country.”
@ wolfi – “So better be careful, don’t call other people here liars”
Unless I have a problem reading a text, O’neill’s ambiguous comment made me look like an “apologist” for the Nazis. My interpretation of the “truth” comes from the available “facts” from the media (the left and right wing media) and I did NOT call anybody a liar and I don’t like to be threatened.